The girls coach and players I talk to hate playing the second game. They say they would rather have a nice second half crowd who show up early for the boys game than to watch half the gym leave while they warm up. Title IX garbage in this case.

Yeah, and ever notice how things have gone back to the girls playing first and the boys last in most of those? Know why? Bigger gate.

 

I don't get it. I just don't understand why everything has to be made to feel like it's equal. Heck, I know some soccer teams who pitch a fit to play on the football field; you dont even know there is a crowd.

 

For the record, I'm not meaning to be disrespectful; for what it's worth, I hate watching baseball, but love watching softball. As a matter of fact, I'll watch two good HS softball teams over 2 good baseball teams any day of the week.

 

 

Violation.

 

Prime time scheduling can be accomplished by scheduling boys‘

and girls’ games on separate nights with prime time starts for both

or by schedule doubleheaders and alternating boys’ and girls’ start

times. The KHSAA Board of Control and staff strongly recommends

adherence to the following schedule in the event that double headers

are used to meet the Prime Time Requirement.

One Double-Header (Optional As To Which Team Plays Second)

Two Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second At

Least Once)

Three Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second

At Least Once)

Four Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second At

Least Twice)

Five Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Second At

Least Twice)

Six Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second At

Least Three Times)

Seven Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second

At Least Three Times)

Eight Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second

At Least Four Times)

Nine Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second At

Least Four Times)

Ten Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second At

Least Five Times)

Is there a worse feeling for a player, than seeing a packed house leave at the end of the first game, while you are warming-up, knowing that your classmates and the fans who attended the first game, could care less about your ability to play the game and leave in mass prior to your game?

 

I think I would prefer playing in front of no one, than to see people leaving in mass and if I were a parent, it would break my heart!

It's real simple. Either you host both, or you don't get either. Schools feel title IXs financial pain, why shouldn't the khsaa?

 

And just who do you think feels the financial pain if the KHSAA feels financial pain? The schools and the student athletes do.

 

Not that such issue is necessarily germane to the Title IX issue. Title IX does not require the facilities to be exactly the same or the same amount of money to be spent on female and male sports.

 

There is a 3 prong test to determine compliance. Satisfy one of the 3 prongs and you are good to go. The 3 prongs are:

 

 

1. Providing athletic participation opportunities that are substantially proportionate to the student enrollment. This prong of the test is satisfied when participation opportunities for men and women are "substantially proportionate" to their respective undergraduate enrollment.
   
2. Demonstrating a continual expansion of athletic opportunities for the underrepresented sex. This prong of the test is satisfied when an institution has a history and continuing practice of program expansion that is responsive to the developing interests and abilities of the underrepresented sex (typically female).
   
3. Accommodating the interest and ability of underrepresented sex. This prong of the test is satisfied when an institution is meeting the interests and abilities of its female students even where there are disproportionately fewer females than males participating in sports.
   

And just who do you think feels the financial pain if the KHSAA feels financial pain? The schools and the student athletes do.

 

Not that such issue is necessarily germane to the Title IX issue. Title IX does not require the facilities to be exactly the same or the same amount of money to be spent on female and male sports.

 

There is a 3 prong test to determine compliance. Satisfy one of the 3 prongs and you are good to go. The 3 prongs are:

 

 

1. Providing athletic participation opportunities that are substantially proportionate to the student enrollment. This prong of the test is satisfied when participation opportunities for men and women are "substantially proportionate" to their respective undergraduate enrollment.
   
2. Demonstrating a continual expansion of athletic opportunities for the underrepresented sex. This prong of the test is satisfied when an institution has a history and continuing practice of program expansion that is responsive to the developing interests and abilities of the underrepresented sex (typically female).
   
3. Accommodating the interest and ability of underrepresented sex. This prong of the test is satisfied when an institution is meeting the interests and abilities of its female students even where there are disproportionately fewer females than males participating in sports.
   

 

Legal question, LN.

 

Does Title 9 apply to the KHSAA as an entity or just its member schools?

 

In other words could KHSAA be sued for a violation if they chose to host the girls championship game on a Tuesday night at Regents Hall instead of a Saturday night at WKU?

Great crowds at Diddle for the first and last game. First class facility too. Where is the problem?

Great crowds at Diddle for the first and last game. First class facility too. Where is the problem?

 

paNDA if your question is about my comment, I was referring to a Boy/Girl DH where the girls game was the 2nd game of the night!

 

After attending Sweet Sixteen games at Dibble, I think its a great place to hold the Girls Sweet Sixteen and don't understand the reasoning behind being upset by not playing at Rupp!

Legal question, LN.

 

Does Title 9 apply to the KHSAA as an entity or just its member schools?

 

In other words could KHSAA be sued for a violation if they chose to host the girls championship game on a Tuesday night at Regents Hall instead of a Saturday night at WKU?

 

 

Don't know. I'm not aware of the KHSAA receiving any federal funds; at least not directly from the federal govt. Don't know if it would be deemed to have received federal funds simply due to the fact its members receive federal funds.

 

Can't honestly recall a conversation while I was on the BOC saying we (the KHSAA) had to do this or couldn't do that because of Title IX, but I have the memory of a 55 year old, so those conversations may have occurred. Regardless of whether it's applicable, there is zero doubt in my mind that the KHSAA places a heavy emphasis on the administration and development of female sports. Some may think having the females play their championship in BG is unfair or disparate treatment, but I don't see that at all.

It's 100% correct. Schools are assessed for equal spending between comparable sports annually. It's irrelevant how much a team profits or fundraises it's all about the expense amount totals.

 

The way that schools have been bullied into Title IX is by having the threat of losing federal funding taken away from them. Does the KHSAA get any federal funding that would compel them to comply with Title IX?

The way that schools have been bullied into Title IX is by having the threat of losing federal funding taken away from them. Does the KHSAA get any federal funding that would compel them to comply with Title IX?

 

Again where has the KHSAA violated Title IX? Title IX is about comparable facilities and equal spending. Doesn't really matter what it cost to rent Rupp vs Diddle. What would be a violation is if during the state tournament the participating girls team did not get the same amount of money for expenses(rooms. meals) as the boys. If this was a Title IX violation you can bet it would be addressed and the girls would have to play in Rupp the same as boys. The only issue between Rupp and Diddle is seating capacity. Diddle accomodates the girls crowd. If the crowds get bigger and outgrow it, I believe they would try and move it in a second.

 

If you really want to stir the pot, request an audit of what the KHSSA spends on itself during these tournaments. They all stay in hotels and charge all their meals. All the while most teams lose money that participate in the tournament. They dont even pay for all of your rooms. You get a certain amount of money for rooms/meals based on a number of players.

I know Diddle would never get the Boys. I just think it would be much better at Diddle atmosphere-wise.

 

I'm down for the switch.

 

How would Diddle be better than Rupp atmosphere wise? How many people does Diddle hold?

Again where has the KHSAA violated Title IX? Title IX is about comparable facilities and equal spending. Doesn't really matter what it cost to rent Rupp vs Diddle. What would be a violation is if during the state tournament the participating girls team did not get the same amount of money for expenses(rooms. meals) as the boys. If this was a Title IX violation you can bet it would be addressed and the girls would have to play in Rupp the same as boys. The only issue between Rupp and Diddle is seating capacity. Diddle accomodates the girls crowd. If the crowds get bigger and outgrow it, I believe they would try and move it in a second.

 

If you really want to stir the pot, request an audit of what the KHSSA spends on itself during these tournaments. They all stay in hotels and charge all their meals. All the while most teams lose money that participate in the tournament. They dont even pay for all of your rooms. You get a certain amount of money for rooms/meals based on a number of players.

 

Re-read my post. I don't even think the KHSAA can violate Title IX because they don't get any federal funding.

If you really want to stir the pot, request an audit of what the KHSSA spends on itself during these tournaments. They all stay in hotels and charge all their meals. All the while most teams lose money that participate in the tournament. They dont even pay for all of your rooms. You get a certain amount of money for rooms/meals based on a number of players.

 

Your exactly right on expenses. It is great for the schools to go but they lose a lot of money when they go. They will all say it is worth but it does take a lot to go.

paNDA if your question is about my comment, I was referring to a Boy/Girl DH where the girls game was the 2nd game of the night!

 

After attending Sweet Sixteen games at Dibble, I think its a great place to hold the Girls Sweet Sixteen and don't understand the reasoning behind being upset by not playing at Rupp!

 

Sorry, what I am saying is the teams get great support for their first game at Diddle and the championship game always draws a packed house. Nothing wrong with Diddle.

Violation.

 

Prime time scheduling can be accomplished by scheduling boys‘

and girls’ games on separate nights with prime time starts for both

or by schedule doubleheaders and alternating boys’ and girls’ start

times. The KHSAA Board of Control and staff strongly recommends

adherence to the following schedule in the event that double headers

are used to meet the Prime Time Requirement.

One Double-Header (Optional As To Which Team Plays Second)

Two Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second At

Least Once)

Three Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second

At Least Once)

Four Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second At

Least Twice)

Five Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Second At

Least Twice)

Six Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second At

Least Three Times)

Seven Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second

At Least Three Times)

Eight Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second

At Least Four Times)

Nine Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second At

Least Four Times)

Ten Double-Headers (Girls Game Recommended to Be Second At

Least Five Times)

 

Not a violation if they play 3,5,7 or 9 DHs...