Part of what you say I can agree with. Some of it we just are coming from opposites ends of the spectrum but as I've said previously I would just liketo see it resolved in a way that both sides can live with it. Honestly I've had enough. On to another thread for me. I'll give you guys credit, you do stick together. :walk:

 

 

 

Unrelenting, aren't we!

There are less than a handfull of high schools in KY.,private and public, that do

not have open enrollment.So,why is it percieved that only the private

schools can except students from other districts or parts of the state.

 

I stated this fact in another thread,there are currently 207 Boone County

students who attend public schools outside of their home district(not in Boone

County school district).I guess all of the schools they are now attending have some sort of advantage?

I guess all of the schools they are now attending have some sort of advantage?

 

Kick'em out!

Not as some have implied they wanted to ban privates, ruin privates, kick them out, etc, etc.

I'm sorry but after hearing from Wilson Sears I have no doubt in my mind that his motive in being the primary proponent of Prop 20 is to make private schools a less attractive alternative to public schools. I don't think that everyone that voted for Prop 20 wants to damage private schools BUT I do believe that there is a sizable faction among them that will do anything they can to dissuade students from choosing private schools.

There are less than a handfull of high schools in KY.,private and public, that do

not have open enrollment.So,why is it percieved that only the private

schools can except students from other districts or parts of the state.

 

I stated this fact in another thread,there are currently 207 Boone County

students who attend public schools outside of their home district(not in Boone

County school district).I guess all of the schools they are now attending have some sort of advantage?

Good point!

In any districts with open enrollment(which means a student can go to a school outside their school district and not pay tuition),at least in my neck of the woods- it amazes me why any one would say private schools have an advantage , when their students have to PAY to go there and they get no money from the state.

Yeah, you are right, same rules for all schools, seems simple enough, now they are telling the schools to resolve the issue. Why the heck do we even need KHSAA or a BOE anyway if they aren't going to do anything about this kind of stuff?

B.S.

The KHSAA IS the member schools. They had a chance to resolve it. They chose a bad course of action in splitting the championships, and heard that from every level of approval required. So the BOE is doing its job as well, telling the membership that while that idea may have been AN answer, it is not THE answer that will be approved. Thank heavens there is a checks and balance system in place.

 

So now the membership, through a large representative task force is trying to come up with a better answer. Just because YOU don't agree with the answer doesn't mean it is wrong or right, it just means you don't agree. Was separation the easiest way? Perhaps in the beginning. But then schools like Scott County and Henderson would have continued to cry foul when schools like Male and Manual and Dunbar began dominating titles. And schools of the size of Scott and Henderson aren't exactly going to engender sympathy from many of the membership, with their 2000 plus student bodies to draw from.

 

So it is time for the schools to listen to the Kentucky Board of Education comments the other day and in the paper and take heed. As they said in interviews, the "feeder pattern" determination (making kids decide before grade 6 where they are going to go to school) won't work. It is not right nor fair to ask parents of 9-10 year old kids to determine what education path they are going to take, and have such a ridiculous penalty as the loss of two years of participation in sports for making a choice that didn't turn out to be in the student's best academic best interests.

 

Maybe now the public schools will focus their efforts on a reasonable proposal that actually gets at the issues. All along, the "advocates" of splitting, etc. talked about the fact that "they can draw from anywhere, they don't have a boundary". OK, then establish a boundary. That's not that hard at all. But the schools have already heard that establishing the type of school as a boundary will not work.

 

Next, the complaints were about financial aid. Then go ahead and restrict (in regulation) the financial aid.

 

Lastly, the complaints were about students who played on a high school team and then transferred to another school in grade 9 because of the "free entry" rule. OK, address that.

 

But quit hiding behind the smoke screen of these three issues if that's not it. If its about winning championships, then the perspective is focused incorrectly and the Kentucky Board of Education will ensure that it stays on proper focus because they truly see the education big picture as they work on making sure all of the educational processes work together.

 

And the onus doesn't appear from news accounts to just be on public schools. The private schools have to quit sitting back and defending the status quo and wake up and realize that those three areas above HAVE to be addressed AND CHANGED from the current rules. And aggressively. And they need to quit coming out of meetings defensive about their current systems and always deflecting to another issue.

 

The KHSAA was, is, and always will be, an organization about the membership. They may not always agree, and guess what. Some times the process is there for a reason. Had the delegate vote been the end of the regulatory change process, a wholesale and unnecessary change would have been put in place because it was viewed as "clean and easy" not because it was the best solution. Sometimes, the best solution, takes a little time. These problems didn't begin yesterday, they may not be able to end tomorrow.

All these meetings that the KHSAA and BOE and now court systems is just stall tactics. Seems sad to me, nobody has the cahoneys to resolve these issues and get on with things. A large number of the member schools spoke out but they don't want to seem to listen to that, :confused:

So what's your answer, oh ye with the big cahoneys? Awful easy to sit there and say someone else should figure it out, but what's the answer? If splitting the membership has already been determined to be a flawed objective, what's the answer?

Heres the answer. They need a multiplier. In football they need at least 5 classes. They need a no tolerance rule on recruiting. You are found guilty of illegal recruiting you are done coaching in Kentucky. The two year ban is a good thing. The privates are trying to get around it by saying one year ban from varsity only which wouldn't affect them at all considering hardly any freshmen get playing time at those schools.

They don't inforce the rules. thats the main problem. You turn something in and they tell you they will get to it but don't. Or they demand proof. coaches aren't stupid enough to write hand written letters to recruits. Others know that since they have money the KHSAA won't touch them.

I'm sorry but after hearing from Wilson Sears I have no doubt in my mind that his motive in being the primary proponent of Prop 20 is to make private schools a less attractive alternative to public schools. I don't think that everyone that voted for Prop 20 wants to damage private schools BUT I do believe that there is a sizable faction among them that will do anything they can to dissuade students from choosing private schools.

I am sure there are some that feel that way. And I am positive there are some that feel as I do. And that has been well-stated.

Just an answer to post #102. Until this year there were waiting lists to get into the Catholic elementary schools in Lexington. In many cases, if you didn't get in as a kindergartner you were SOL. Demand for a Catholic grade school experience far exceeded available slots. A new grade school opened up at Seton in the fall and Mary Queen increased capacity due to a new building. That's why some kids at Lexington Catholic now, who are Catholic, came from public schools.

For those interested in facts, the overwhelming majority on the football team are Catholic and came from Catholic elementary schools.

Heres the answer. They need a multiplier. In football they need at least 5 classes.

 

Agreed, and make the classes based on more than enrollment. Make them based on number of actual players, number seniors/juniors, etc. Reset them each year.

 

They need a no tolerance rule on recruiting. You are found guilty of illegal recruiting you are done coaching in Kentucky.

 

Sure. Just define what recuiting is. "Recuiting" has a very vast range of meanings. And thus far this seems to be the main gripe without any real substance. Parents 'recuit' all the time but instutions can not control that. I assume the main issue is with instutional recuiting of targeted students solely for the purpose of their athletic skill.

 

The two year ban is a good thing. The privates are trying to get around it by saying one year ban from varsity only which wouldn't affect them at all considering hardly any freshmen get playing time at those schools.

 

Can not agree here. I have not found a single parent that agrees with a two year ban. Not one. This is only a valid concept within the star chamber. To all rational parents, both public and private, this is a non-starter.

 

 

They don't inforce the rules. thats the main problem. You turn something in and they tell you they will get to it but don't. Or they demand proof. coaches aren't stupid enough to write hand written letters to recruits. Others know that since they have money the KHSAA won't touch them.

 

Non-instutional recruiting by all entities, public and private, goes on. Coaches and intitutions can not control it and do not need to encourage it. Parents want other good kids to around their kids. Proving instutional wrong doing should not be hard - go find a ex-student or their parents that will go on record and say: "School x or coach y said - 'come play for us and we will take care of your fees and daily transportation to and from school and practice.'" When that smoking gun is found then take KHSAA to task. Until then, this an excercise not unlike proving the existence of bigfoot or UFOs.

 

 

We do need alternatives and they need to keep coming. But the feeder concept and the 2 year ban are just not going to fly.

Why would the private schools counter the 2 year ban from athletics proposal with a 1 year ban(varsity only)? How many Freshman started for Highlands, Trinity, X, Beechwood, Dayton, Leslie County, NCC?

My guess is ZERO! Maybe 1 or 2.

If the private schools really wanted to work on this, they would have countered with 1 year ban(Freshman, JV, Varsity)

 

The ban is only in place to take fix recruiting issues. It would be hard to recruit a student who loves football and tell them, "come to school A, but you have to sit out and not play for 1 year."

 

WOW! That would hurt. No kid would want to do this. Recruiting becomes a non-issue!

The ban is only in place to take fix recruiting issues. It would be hard to recruit a student who loves football and tell them, "come to school A, but you have to sit out and not play for 1 year."

 

WOW! That would hurt. No kid would want to do this. Recruiting becomes a non-issue!

 

So what of the kids that are not "recruited" to attend a different school type after middle/grade school? 100's of kids change from private to public etc each year. Are you telling me all of them were recruited? If not, why should they be punished?

 

The idea that every kid that changes from public to private is recruited is false. That's why we will not stand for this 2 year ban.

In an article in the Record yesterday it was reported that around 500 kids from a Catholic grade school in Louisville enrolled in a public high school for the 05/06 school year. There were also about 300 public school kids that took the placement test at a Catholic high school in December. The idea of declaring these 800 kids ineligible for two years is just wrong.

In an article in the Record yesterday it was reported that around 500 kids from a Catholic grade school in Louisville enrolled in a public high school for the 05/06 school year. There were also about 300 public school kids that took the placement test at a Catholic high school in December. The idea of declaring these 800 kids ineligible for two years is just wrong.

I agree.