Here is something that hasn't been brought up yet and I'm curious about. I don't know the answer, too lazy to do the research and all. But I was curious because of the post you made here, how many of those top 5 teams in 4A are private schools?

 

I'm just curious, I know it's just something else and new thrown into the debate, but I think that also plays into it.

How many private schools are in 4A compared to 5A or even 6A? It may not even matter, but it's something I don't know the answer to off the top of my head.

 

There aren't that many private schools playing football in KY at all.

 

Trinity

St.X

DeSales

Louisville Holy Cross

Christian Academy of Louisville

Owensboro Catholic

Newport Central Catholic

Covington Catholic

Holy Cross

Bishop Brossart

Lexington Catholic

Lexington Christian Academy

 

I think that about covers it.

 

That was just off the top of my head, but outside of a handful of them none are known powerhouses.

You said that 200 kids from Boyle county were better than 2 thousand from Lexington. Didn't I Just show you how silly that was. When an EQUAL size team from Lex best them. While missing 2 of its best players.

 

Truthfully Boyle was winning soundly when Bolin/Letton/Mesmer were in the game. Guess you weren't there to see how it all played out.

 

And no, again, you proved my point. Boyle and LexCath are both better than the bigger schools in Lexington. Size matters?

Here is something that hasn't been brought up yet and I'm curious about. I don't know the answer, too lazy to do the research and all. But I was curious because of the post you made here, how many of those top 5 teams in 4A are private schools?

 

I'm just curious, I know it's just something else and new thrown into the debate, but I think that also plays into it.

How many private schools are in 4A compared to 5A or even 6A? It may not even matter, but it's something I don't know the answer to off the top of my head.

 

2. LexCath and CovCath. Highlands, Boyle County and Russell County are the rest. And I'm fairly certain that the remainder of the 4A top 10 would fare well against the bigger schools as well. And I believe the remainder of the top 10 in 4A are public schools.

You give me two teams: both with excellent coaching staffs; both with extremely hard working kids and both with support and tradition behind them, but one drawing from an enrollment of 400 and the other drawing from an enrollment of 1,000, and I'd expect the team drawing from 1,000 to beat the team drawing from 400 8 or 9 times out of 10.

 

The reason you see smaller programs beating the larger programs is, more often than not, because the smaller programs have better coaches, harder working kids and better support and tradition behind them.

 

This ladies and gentlemen, is my whole point.

 

 

Key words in this whole post........"I'd EXPECT the team drawing from 1,000 to be better."

Lexington Public School supporter?!!? Not sure of what you are saying.....you continue to imply this magic athlete at other areas including Boyle county and not in Lexington I assume is what you mean. Your views are flawed.

 

Nope. You are the one talking about magic athletes. I'm implying what LN stated. I'd EXPECT the much bigger public schools in Lexington to beat Boyle County 10 times out of 10 but they can't. Why? Coaches, quality of the program, tradition, dedication to name a few factors.

 

Nope. You are the one talking about magic athletes. I'm implying what LN stated. I'd EXPECT the much bigger public schools in Lexington to beat Boyle County 10 times out of 10 but they can't. Why? Coaches, quality of the program, tradition, dedication to name a few factors.

 

The "Bigger" schools in Lexington have 7 schools that divide up their talent. A little different when you have 1/2 your counties kids on one team. And all the feeder programs all feed to the same 2 schools. I wonder why this see scenario doesn't play out In any other sport. Baseball, Baskrvall, Track etc..... Has nothing to do with the athletes......all to do with the support, feeder systems, coaching etc......

And the very school I mention that beat Boyle County while being small, doesn't have to deal with those same issues. It operates on a private school level. Catholic operates on a different level and does not suffer those same issues. Although the group of kids it pulled from Lexington were good enough to beat Boyle.

Enrollment size matters, but it is just one factor. As others have mentioned, you cannot draw any conclusions just from enrollment size alone. That is why using smaller schools who beat up larger schools as an example to justify the argument that enrollment size does not matter is a fallacy.

 

Adhering to that line of thought would be like asking "Does the talent level of your Quarterback matter?" and then using Tim Couch's Leslie County team his senior year as an example that it doesn't. If it matters, then how could teams with less talented players at QB possibly beat Leslie County? Since Leslie County couldn't win it all with the best QB, then the talent level of the QB must not matter.

 

Of course we all see the absurdity of that argument. The talent level of your QB obviously matters, but it is not the only factor. There are way too many other factors at play and you can't eliminate one by making it the only factor considered like PP92 is trying to do with enrollment size.

Enrollment size matters, but it is just one factor. As others have mentioned, you cannot draw any conclusions just from enrollment size alone. That is why using smaller schools who beat up larger schools as an example to justify the argument that enrollment size does not matter is a fallacy.

 

Adhering to that line of thought would be like asking "Does the talent level of your Quarterback matter?" and then using Tim Couch's Leslie County team his senior year as an example that it doesn't. If it matters, then how could teams with less talented players at QB possibly beat Leslie County? Since Leslie County couldn't win it all with the best QB, then the talent level of the QB must not matter.

 

Of course we all see the absurdity of that argument. The talent level of your QB obviously matters, but it is not the only factor. There are way too many other factors at play and you can't eliminate one by making it the only factor considered like PP92 is trying to do with enrollment size.

 

Lol. Very good analogy. And exactly what I have been saying. Absurd argument.

You give me two teams: both with excellent coaching staffs; both with extremely hard working kids and both with support and tradition behind them, but one drawing from an enrollment of 400 and the other drawing from an enrollment of 1,000, and I'd expect the team drawing from 1,000 to beat the team drawing from 400 8 or 9 times out of 10.

 

The reason you see smaller programs beating the larger programs is, more often than not, because the smaller programs have better coaches, harder working kids and better support and tradition behind them.

Well said, LN. :thumb:

Enrollment doesn't near as much as the make up of the community(s) that feed the schools.

 

Take some of your 1A-4A "county" schools. A vast majority of them don't really draw from the county as much as they do the county seat/town the school is located in.

 

.....you are essentially a 1A Football program playing in 3A.

 

Now, you take the likes of:

 

NKY (Boone, Campbell and Kenton County Schools which has become it's own Metropolitan type area itself) and you have a whole different situation on your hands.

 

Harry - If you have a 3A boys enrollment, you're a 3A school. Where they come from doesn't make any difference. You talk about this sprawling NKY metro area as if it's the suburbs of New York. And you're forgetting that our little metro area here is divided among 21 football schools.

 

Have you ever lived any amount of time in a truly rural area? Lets say a county of around 12,000 with the biggest town being about 2,500?

 

While NKY (over 325K in the last census bt Kenton, Campbell and Boone) is far from an NYC, you are just as far from being one of these communities that have only a few stop lights in the entire county as well.

 

We'll just agree to disagree that what I mentioned plays no relevance.

Like I said, how small your town is irrelevant if your school population puts you in a given class. If School A has 700 boys and County School B has 700 boys, they're is no size argument to be made -- whether your county seat is a small town or not. Your assertion was that the demographics of your school somehow puts you at a de facto size advantage against identically populated schools in metro areas. I'm saying that this makes no difference whatsoever in regard to classification. Also, like I said, this metro area is sub-divided among 21 schools -- not just three county schools.

This ladies and gentlemen, is my whole point.

 

 

Key words in this whole post........"I'd EXPECT the team drawing from 1,000 to be better."

 

So size can be (and often is) the deciding factor when both teams have the other things (coaching, commitment, tradition and support) in place. When a smaller school has those things but the bigger school does not, the smaller school can (and often does) prevail.

If it is an advantage then why are so many schools smaller than 6A schools that are better than the 6A schools. I've mentioned more than once that the top 5 schools of 4A could likely defeat #3-10 in the 6A poll. Yet enrollment size matters? Enrollment size is not the advantage people make it out to be. Otherwise our 6A schools would be a lot better than what they are. Smaller schools wouldn't beat them.

 

Enrollment is too broad of a word. Enrollment can be filled by open enrollment, tuition, etc. The 'enrollment' at Highlands has a tremendous football acumen considering their 'enrollment size' is borderline 3A/4A.

 

That is what I mean by enrollment and enrollment size. Two different things.

 

The reason is that enrollment is NOT the only factor. We are simply talking about if it helps to have a larger enrollment, and the easy answer is yes. It is easy to bring up examples when there are hunderds of games that have been played. Like Highlands beating a larger school, or on the other side, Trinity being one of the largest enrollments and they are the best team in the state. Everyone knows that enrollment isnt the only factor in determining winners.

 

All I am saying is that if we are only talking about the number of boys at a school, it is better to have more to choose from. Just like it is better to come from a school with great community support, or a good coaching staff, or tradition.

 

I will compare it to the New York Yankees, they have the highest payroll in baseball, but they don't always win. As a baseball owner, would you rather have more money to spend on players? Sure you would, but it doesn't guarantee anything. There are many other factors in who wins a World Series or State Championship.

Just entering this thread.... Purplepride......there are 2 answers that are for this question.... All other factors held equal, Would you rather have 1400 athletes to pick from, or would you rather have 100?

 

(Either say 1400 or 100, any other answer is changing the question.)

The question is invalid as it artificially limits the scope of the issue.

Thank you. What the cat is implying is that his kids are magically better from Ft Thomas then anywhere else.....he is saying that his 100 kids from Ft Thomas are better then 1400 kids to pick from elsewhere. Lol.

Hey PP92! You've talked us up too much. They're starting to think you're a Bird fan!! :lol:

 

Because everyone knows you can't speak the truth about Highlands without being accused of living in a mansion somehwere on the golden streets of Ft. Thomas.