SEEK money that Beechwood received from the state....$2966.

 

SEEK money that Bell County received from the state....$5337.

 

Ft. Thomas...$3098

 

Boone County...$2853

 

Covington Ind.....$4503

SEEK money that Beechwood received from the state....$2966.

 

SEEK money that Bell County received from the state....$5337.

 

Ft. Thomas...$3098

 

Boone County...$2853

 

Covington Ind.....$4503

 

Interesting, isn't it?

No, they haven't. Their success has increased those numbers since the late 1990's. They were very successful before that. In fact most of their state championships happened before the transfers started to increase. Now that I think of it, maybe those out of FM transfers have hurt the program.

Excuse me, not transfers, out of district students. Are you telling me that Craig Wilmhoff and Joe Johnson didn't help the 91 state effort. My mistake for not being correct in my verbage. I meant out of district students and not transfers. However, a transfer is really just another out of district student.

Thx for the info. If I understand plainspoken correctly, he is saying that some schools charge less than the ADA amount to out of district students and that gives those schools an advantage over those schools that cannot financially afford to accept out of district students for less than the ADA amount. plainspoken, are you aware of any specific schools that charges tuition in an amount less than the ADA amount if the ADA doesn't follow?

 

Not doubting you, but I've never heard of that occurring.

I obvious am not sure about what most NKY schools do, I was just providing additional information for the argument. But, I would be surprised that a school would not recoup the ADA money by either having it follow the student or charging comparable tuition. I would also be interested to see if that, in fact, happens anywhere.

Excuse me, not transfers, out of district students. Are you telling me that Craig Wilmhoff and Joe Johnson didn't help the 91 state effort. My mistake for not being correct in my verbage. I meant out of district students and not transfers. However, a transfer is really just another out of district student.

 

Two is a lot?

 

From 1972 on Beechwood has had a lot of great teams. I can tell you that the vast majority of those teams up to the late 90's had no or at most a couple of out of district players on them.

Two is a lot?

 

From 1972 on Beechwood has had a lot of great teams. I can tell you that the vast majority of those teams up to the late 90's had no or at most a couple of out of district players on them.

 

I pulled two from Yaegle's first championship off the top of my head. Excuse me, add Partin from Earlanger to that list. I will venture to say that it would be tough to find a Beechwood team that hasn't had an out of district player playing on it since 1990, which is good for them.

Boone County Schools avg daily attendance in 2010 was about 19,000.

Jefferson County was about 97,000.

 

How does that impact the ADA $ amount?

 

Here's a link to a report that discusses the SEEK formula as part of a study: http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/lrcpubs/Rr310.pdf. I'm sure there are better explanations out there though. The SEEK amount in conjunction with a district's Average Daily Attendance (ADA) determines (generally) the amount of money a school district receives from the state.

I will venture to say that it would be tough to find a Beechwood team that hasn't had an out of district player playing on it since 1990, which is good for them.

Yea, but I would say that is true for most schools. I know it is for all the schools in NEKY.

Excuse me, not transfers, out of district students. Are you telling me that Craig Wilmhoff and Joe Johnson didn't help the 91 state effort. My mistake for not being correct in my verbage. I meant out of district students and not transfers. However, a transfer is really just another out of district student.

 

 

The bottom line on this discussion - if we were to look at in district students that go elsewhere versus out of district students that attend Beechwood, Beechwood loses more than they pick up. A lot of Ft. Mitchell residents send their children to schools other than Beechwood, especially when you look at parochial schools.

Yea, but I would say that is true for most schools. I know it is for all the schools in NEKY.

 

Its not the case for most NKY public schools.

The bottom line on this discussion - if we were to look at in district students that go elsewhere versus out of district students that attend Beechwood, Beechwood loses more than they pick up. A lot of Ft. Mitchell residents send their children to schools other than Beechwood, especially when you look at parochial schools.

 

I would disagree. I would think the bottom line on this category is that all public schools lose some kids to private schools. Only a few public schools in our area have the policies or the resources to attract out of district students. I say it is good for those schools, and if other schools don't like it, find a way to change your policy or to compete. However, to say there is not an established advantage to being an independent in a wealthy area whose inhabitants are concerned with football is really false.

Here's a link to a report that discusses the SEEK formula as part of a study: http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/lrcpubs/Rr310.pdf. I'm sure there are better explanations out there though. The SEEK amount in conjunction with a district's Average Daily Attendance (ADA) determines (generally) the amount of money a school district receives from the state.

 

I communicated with someone who knows more about the subject than I do. They explained to me that every district is given an amount of Seek and ADA money per student. Most district will let the ADA money transfer with the student who pays tuition, however, they will keep the seek money. The charged tuition is usually to make up for the Seek money lost when the student comes to the new district. Small independent district's whose local inhabitants vote on extra local taxes for their district receive less Seek money, and therefore, can afford to charge much less on their overall tuition to allow a student to come to their district. Most public County Schools make their tuition the total amount of their Seek and ADA money, which is usually combined to somewhere between $5800 and $7000. Therefore, due to the generosity of their local tax bases, the two independent school districts that we have been discussing are able to charge a much lower tuition.

First let me say I do not think Beechwood is doing ANYTHING wrong and neither does the KHSAA. If you are jealous of Beechwood school district or football program I guess you should figure out what they are doing and copy it.

 

Insert whatever other school you want, Highlands, Boyle, Trinity, X, etc..........

I communicated with someone who knows more about the subject than I do. They explained to me that every district is given an amount of Seek and ADA money per student. Most district will let the ADA money transfer with the student who pays tuition, however, they will keep the seek money. The charged tuition is usually to make up for the Seek money lost when the student comes to the new district. Small independent district's whose local inhabitants vote on extra local taxes for their district receive less Seek money, and therefore, can afford to charge much less on their overall tuition to allow a student to come to their district. Most public County Schools make their tuition the total amount of their Seek and ADA money, which is usually combined to somewhere between $5800 and $7000. Therefore, due to the generosity of their local tax bases, the two independent school districts that we have been discussing are able to charge a much lower tuition.

 

No offense to the person you spoke with, but as I understand it, the SEEK formula is what is used to determined how much per student the State funds. The SEEK formula calculated amount is multiplied by the ADA (average daily attendance) to determine the gross amount paid by the state. In other words, there isn't SEEK money and ADA money. Rather they both are factors that work together to determine the amount paid by the state to a school district.

 

The local taxes do stay with the school district even if a student leaves the district to attend another school, as the local taxes are based on property values within the school district (so much per $1,000 of valuation); not on attendance numbers. So if a school district with a lot of local tax revenues has a lot of students attend other schools, it would be windfall for that school district, as it would continue to receive the local tax revenue but would not have the expense of educating those students. Keep in mind however, that when a school district has high local tax revenues, the SEEK formula cuts back the state dollars paid to that district.

 

Don't be under the impression that schools that have high local tax revenues are in much better financial shape than those that don't. In fact the whole purpose of the lawsuit filed years ago by Jack Moreland, then the super at Dayton, was to stop that from happening. Back then, the state pretty much gave each district the same amount per student. For purposes of discussion, we'll say every school district got $2,000 per student. Some districts however were able to get their taxpayers to pay high local taxes. If for example, Fort Thomas was able to generate another $2,000 per student in local taxes, the Fort Thomas district would have $4,000 to spend per student and a district that couldn't get support for any local taxes would only have $2,000. The court system stuck down that financing model because the court said it violate the Ky Constitution's requirement that the public schools be equitably and adequately funded.

 

As a result, the Kentucky Educational Reform Act was passed by the General Assembly and the SEEK formula was put in place. Under the SEEK formula (and I'm generalizing here, as the formula is pretty complicated), a school district that receives a lot of local tax revenue receives less state revenues in an attempt to keep the total amount (from both state and local taxes) roughly the same for every student in Ky.

I would disagree. I would think the bottom line on this category is that all public schools lose some kids to private schools. Only a few public schools in our area have the policies or the resources to attract out of district students. I say it is good for those schools, and if other schools don't like it, find a way to change your policy or to compete. However, to say there is not an established advantage to

 

being an independent only advantage is if someone wants a small school, which in some cases hurts Beechwood

 

in a wealthy area that is an advantage for Beechwood over most other districts, not because of the wealth per se but because of all associated demograpics

 

 

whose inhabitants are concerned with football concerned with everything about their kids, not just football; open house at a Beechwood school is better attended than football games

 

is really false.

 

See highlights above.