July 6, 201214 yr If a coach commits a recruiting violation & the school doesn't know about it, don't they still face punishment? Different. The violations involve a student-athlete. Let's say Sandusky murdered a mistress. PSU had no clue about it. Should they be punished by the NCAA?
July 6, 201214 yr Different. The violations involve a student-athlete. Let's say Sandusky murdered a mistress. PSU had no clue about it. Should they be punished by the NCAA? That's a fair point. And in that scenario, it would be hard to level any punishment to the school. What I do think is different in this particular case, regardless of whether or not the school had knowledge, is that some of these things happened on campus.
July 6, 201214 yr ^ Obviously, Penn State had knowledge of what happened. Should have worded that better.
July 6, 201214 yr That's a fair point. And in that scenario, it would be hard to level any punishment to the school. What I do think is different in this particular case, regardless of whether or not the school had knowledge, is that some of these things happened on campus. What if the murder happened on campus?
July 6, 201214 yr So yeah, Joe knew how to and did use email... Paterno E-Mail Shows Coach's Influence on Disciplinary Matters - Administration - The Chronicle of Higher Education The 2007 disciplinary case stemmed from an off-campus fight involving as many as two dozen football players. After the incident, Mr. Paterno wrote to Graham B. Spanier, the university's president, and "Tim"—presumably Mr. Curley—through an e-mail account used by the coach's assistant, Sandi Segursky. "I want to make sure everyone understands that the discipline of the players involved will be handled by me as soon as I am comfortable that I know all the facts," said the April 7, 2007, e-mail, which was signed "Joe." "This is my understanding as well," wrote Mr. Spanier in response. Vicky Triponey, a former vice president of student affairs whose department was investigating the alleged attack by players, was copied on the correspondence between Mr. Paterno and Mr. Spanier. She wrote back to the president, saying, "Thanks for sharing. I assume he is talking about discipline relative to TEAM rules (note: he does not say that). Obviously discipline relative to the law is up to the police and the courts, and discipline relative to violations of the student code of conduct is the responsibility of Judicial Affairs. "This has not always been clear with Coach Paterno so we might want to clarify that and encourage him to work with us to find the truth and handle this collaboratively with the police and the university," she went on. "The challenge here is that the letter suggests that football should handle this and now Coach Paterno is also saying THEY will handle this and makes it look like the normal channels will be ignored for football players. "Can you remind them of police and University responsibility?" Well, that certainly puts things into a different perspective.
July 6, 201214 yr What if the murder happened on campus? I would think the school would take the appropriate next steps & the NCAA would be left out of it. If not, yes, the NCAA would need to do something IMO.
July 6, 201214 yr Without a doubt. In a place like Happy Valley, a sole power source controls everything and the system in place is not to be disturbed because it is the only system. Kinda like Brad Wesley?
July 6, 201214 yr PSU deserves the death penalty. The cover up was directly tied to keeping the cash cow flowing...
July 7, 201214 yr PSU deserves the death penalty. The cover up was directly tied to keeping the cash cow flowing... This.
July 12, 201214 yr Author Page 4 of this press release... http://www.thefreehreportonpsu.com/Press_Release_07_12_12.pdf Anyone that still supports Joe Pa is one sick person. I hope the others see jail time.
July 12, 201214 yr Brennan: No reason to believe PSU will act now What's more, a column by Paterno mysteriously surfaced Wednesday, nearly six months after his death. In it, the former Penn State coach said, "I feel compelled to say, in no uncertain terms, that this is not a football scandal." Of course Paterno would say that. And of course he would be wrong. This is completely and totally a football scandal, because he built his program to be untouchable, and the university let him do so. It is a tragedy that will be linked with Penn State for generations, because Paterno failed miserably as a leader, educator and human being. He was the man with the real power to stop the sexual abuse of young boys in his locker room. Yet he did not do it. Why a statue of him remains on campus is a question everyone, especially devoted Penn State alums, should ask. Since Paterno was fired, and others were let go or put on leave, there has been a stunning (and revolting) inclination by the university to embrace the status quo. BLOG: Late Paterno defends PSU in editorial For instance, most of us think disgraced President Graham Spanier is gone from Penn State, but he's still a tenured faculty member there. The board of trustees, which reprehensibly ignored warnings about the severity of the Sandusky charges months before they were made public, is still intact.
July 12, 201214 yr Author Has anyone ever done as much damage to their legacy than Joe Pa? It's not something that will ever get better IMO. It will only be worse as futures generations will only remember him for this.
July 12, 201214 yr Has anyone ever done as much damage to their legacy than Joe Pa? It's not something that will ever get better IMO. It will only be worse as futures generations will only remember him for this. OJ Simpson?
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