^So it's okay for the coach to let loose on colorful tirades towards the players, but they players can't say anything?

 

I think there's a difference between a coach cussing, and a coach calling a player a nasty/cuss name. When I was younger, I heard coaches use lots of colorful language while addressing me, but they never called me a name. There's a big difference, IMO.

Unless the kid has a bad history zero chance I'm kicking him off for that. I'd advise any coach to use it as a teaching moment.

^So it's okay for the coach to let loose on colorful tirades towards the players, but they players can't say anything?

Right. If I cuss at a player, regardless of role, age, or anything else, I won't get mad if he cusses back, because that would pretty much be bullying the kid. I don't think a punishment woudl be necessary for the kid if I was even modestly wrong in anything I did before, during or after the argument. Your players need to know they can and will be heard when necessary - in any sport.

But all things considered at thing considered: if it is a player I need or want to win or be competitive, I issue a punishment to eliminate the aestetic of favortisim. If it is a player I don't need or don't want, I remove them from team and move on.

Suspend the player untill he/she has proven they deserve to be back on the team. Kids get heated and say things they don't mean, so I wouldn't banish them for forever.

There are a only two "depends" issues that I can see coming into play: the player's history, and what got the argument started.

 

I don't think the player's role on the team or his parents should mean a thing though. I don't care if it's my starting shortstop/pointguard/quarterback, or a benchwarmer - the punishment should apply just as it would to any other player on the team. Same goes for the parents thing. I don't care who his dad is or how much he does or doesn't donate to the school, his kid gets punished the same as any other kid.

 

In response to what would I do, unless it's something really out of control, I wouldn't have a problem with "running them to death" as long as it's a first (or maybe even second) occurrence.

 

The player's parents, how good they are, etc. doesn't matter.

 

What matters to me is that kids environmental factors, how many chances he has been given before, and if he will learn from the mistake or if he will become bolder.

 

Some coaches on here that some of you praise for being disciplinarians and some coaches that some of you say are out of control......well you don't know until you walked in their shoes in that situation.

Assume the Coach had already publicly stated the player in question was uncoachable and self-centered.

 

I see two ways of thinking here. First, the player in question may feel publicly criticizing the coach is okay since it was done to him/her and second the coaches opinion of the player leads me to believe this wasn't the players first rodeo and dismissal may be appropriate.

What exactly do you agree with?

 

Are you saying it is OK for the coach to say whatever he wants and the players should shut up and take it?

Or are you saying the players have a right to retaliate with verbal jabs of their own.

I'm saying that if you're gonna go on a profanity laden tirade at your kids, you shouldn't be shocked when you get a retort in kind. There's no place for either.

To many unknowns to make a good decision.

 

One thing I will add though. I do not feel that a coach should cuss AT ALL around the players at anytime for any reason and I cannot stand it when they do. I mean the ones who do and are teachers, do you talk like that in your classroom?

A public apology in front of the team or anyone who heard it would be my request. The coach has to have their players respect and even if the player raises his voice at the coach there should be consequences whether cussing is involved or not. Parents have ruined today's youth. No respect for authority for anything whether at school, at work or on the playing field. Stop treating your children like babies, let them grow up and see that all things are not fair. A second offense would be dismissal from the team.

To many unknowns to make a good decision.

 

One thing I will add though. I do not feel that a coach should cuss AT ALL around the players at anytime for any reason and I cannot stand it when they do. I mean the ones who do and are teachers, do you talk like that in your classroom?

What sport? Football? High school football, you darn right I will cuss just because it is an emotional game like that. Some do some don't. Some championship coaches curse. I'd like to know who are the state championship coaches that don't. Not saying you cannot win if you don't cuss in football, but I don't know any coach that has won state that didn't use cussing - not at someone - but more to show a general displeasure or make a point. I teach do I cuss around my high school social studies class, no. But early in my career I did slip teaching high school chemistry.

What sport? Football? High school football, you darn right I will cuss just because it is an emotional game like that. Some do some don't. Some championship coaches curse. I'd like to know who are the state championship coaches that don't. Not saying you cannot win if you don't cuss in football, but I don't know any coach that has won state that didn't use cussing - not at someone - but more to show a general displeasure or make a point. I teach do I cuss around my high school social studies class, no. But early in my career I did slip teaching high school chemistry.

 

 

Highlands makes it a point not to...

Highlands makes it a point not to...

 

Not argue with or attack you, but I heard differently. Maybe he makes it a point not to cuss when folks are around, but then again I might stand corrected. But I heard the coach is known to drop an F bomb. But if I am wrong, once again I said to each his own. From what I know of him, which includes his time at Sycamore, I've heard otherwise.

There are a only two "depends" issues that I can see coming into play: the player's history, and what got the argument started.

 

I don't think the player's role on the team or his parents should mean a thing though. I don't care if it's my starting shortstop/pointguard/quarterback, or a benchwarmer - the punishment should apply just as it would to any other player on the team. Same goes for the parents thing. I don't care who his dad is or how much he does or doesn't donate to the school, his kid gets punished the same as any other kid.

 

In response to what would I do, unless it's something really out of control, I wouldn't have a problem with "running them to death" as long as it's a first (or maybe even second) occurrence.

 

100% agree with your part about not mattering the player's role on the team or who his/her parents are.

Had similar circumstances when a player told me "blank you". I asked him if he wanted to reconsider, when not, I kicked him out of practice and told him to come back when he wanted to handle things maturely. Hid Dad brought him back the next week, he apologized, and all was forgotten.

This happened to me once. Calmly I asked the kid to step out of the drill, get out of practice, leave the field, dress and go home. He did so. Went and told his dad what happened. First thing the next day he came and apologized and said he was embarrassed. I still ran the kid but made it clear that was his last chance. I took the circumstance in to consideration. It was a hot afternoon and it was one comment that he normally would not make.