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"If it is illegal to grab the jersey, line blocking, then it is illegal to grab the hair." I agree. "If it is legal to grab the jersey, tackling, then it is legal to grab the hair." I also agree.

:laugh: Bald is beautiful, eh ref96? Tackling by the hair is not illegal. I suppose that a holding (by the hair) foul could possibly occur, and a personal foul for unnecessary roughness could also occur. (Insert giggling referee announcement here). But there are no special provisions for "luxurious, flowing coiffeurs".

Et tu, Brute?

When the ball becomes dead, an official sounds his whistle. However, it is the act itself which causes the ball to become dead; the whistle merely announces that something has happened to cause the ball to become dead. About the only time the whistle actually causes the ball to become dead is in a situation where an official erroneously or inadvertently sounds it. Of course, if the whistle is sounded while the ball is still live, it causes the ball to become dead immediately. Officials must actually see the ball in possession of a runner who is down, or for whom forward progress is stopped. If we can't see the ball, we can't confirm that the runner is down. We often cannot see the ball on short dives up the middle until the play is well over. Long touchdowns or long incomplete passes sometimes don't get a whistle at all. The old coaching adage of "play till you hear the whistle" is mostly good, but players need to understand that a whistle will sometimes be late or not sounded at all.

Rule 4-2-2...The ball becomes dead and the down is ended: e. When any loose ball...is on the ground motionless and no player attempts to secure possession. I didn't see the play, but I think I'd have a pretty slow whistle in order to determine that no player was making an attempt to secure possession. And I imagine it took a second or two for the players to realize that the whistle had not sounded yet. In which game did this happen? (Great avatar, crunch).

A Try is an "extra point" attempt after a touchdown. It can be attempted by a run or pass for 2 points, or a drop kick or place kick for 1 point. The Try ends when: the defense secures possession, it is apparent that the drop kick or place kick will not score, the try is successful, or the ball becomes dead for any reason. A Field Goal attempt is a place kick or a drop kick from scrimmage, or from a free kick following a fair catch or an awarded fair catch. A successful Field Goal is worth 3 points. Unsuccessful Field Goal attempts are live balls just like Punts. They can be advanced by K if recovered in or behind the neutral zone; can be caught or recovered by R and advanced; can be "downed" by K resulting in a new series awarded to R; and become a touchback when the kick crosses R's goal line.

It's just like any other play: if the line to gain is not made on 4th down, it would result in a new series for the defense.

Well played, grasshopper.

You are correct. Rule 6-2-3...Any K player may catch or recover a scrimmage kick while it is in or behind the neutral zone and advance, unless it is during a try.

The answer to your question is in the KHSAA Handbook: "Case BL-4-11 May a student participate for a member school while enrolled in another school that does not offer a particular sport? No, a student must be enrolled as a full time student and receiving credit through the member school at which participation is desired, or be a student at a "feeder" school in the same school district as defined within Bylaw 4 and its interpretations. Specific guidance as to the feeder pattern definitions can be found in Case Situation 10-3-(9)." Here's a link to that answer: http://www.khsaa.org/handbook/bylaws/bylaw4.pdf Here's a link to the Handbook Bylaws: http://www.khsaa.org/handbook/

Notice the name of that coach? Heisman

"As a general rule, the only thing necessary for a touchdown was to give a Tech back the ball and holler, ‘Here he comes’ and ‘There he goes.’ "--Atlanta Journal-Constitution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1916_Cumberland_vs._Georgia_Tech_football_game Tech had over 900 yards rushing, and ZERO passing yards. Cumberland had 15 turnovers. http://www2.cumberland.edu/about/gotc/gamestory.html

Thanks for understanding.

I think there's a misperception that the refs, in lopsided games, start "feeling sorry" for the team on the short end of the scoreboard. The reality is that both coaches will usually tell the refs to "keep your flag in your pocket, keep the clock moving, and get me out of here without any injuries or ejections". Frequently, a coach will also tell me to not let their team score again. The best way to keep the clock moving is to keep the losing team on offense where they can take too much time calling the play, get generous first down spots, and eat up the clock while keeping them off of defense where cheap shots are more likely to occur. Sometimes these measures work, and sometimes (as in the case of the 91-0 game) they still aren't enough. This does not occur in college or pro games; the objectives of the game are different there. Please keep that in mind.

For some fans, too much is never enough. Here's a quote from a thread about a recent game: "I know everyone is going to say "They won by 54!" That's not the point. The point is, the refs must call a fair game on both sides of the ball and there was a clear block in the back right in front of the ref among other calls that should have been called against (the losing team) that weren't. If I were (the head coach of the winning team), I would write a formal complaint to the KHSAA. At one point, it was like 5 penalties in a row (to help the losing team) get inside the 5 yard line. I guess life ain't always fair when you only win by 54.

If Dayton and Bellevue merged, wouldn't that put them at about the same average 2 year enrollment as Newport? Dayton enrollment = 295 Bellevue enrollment = 266 ---- Total = 571 Newport = 576 The combined school would be 2A.

NFHS Rule 7-5-10...It is forward-pass interference if: a. Any player of A (offense) or B (defense), who is beyond the neutral zone, interferes with an eligible opponent's opportunity to move toward, catch or bat the pass. (This is the essential element of the rule.) B. Any player hinders an opponent's vision without making an attempt to catch, intercept or bat the ball, even though no contact was made. (This is the Face-guarding rule.) NFHS Rule 7-5-11...It is not forward-pass interference if: a. Unavoidable contact occurs when two or more eligibles are making a simultaneous, bona fide attempt to move toward, catch or bat the pass. (Contact, in and of itself, is not necessarily pass interference.)

1. Highlands 2. Beechwood 3. Boone County 4. Newport Central Catholic 5. Ryle (tie) 5. Campbell County (tie) 5. Conner (tie) 8. Covington Catholic 9. Simon Kenton 10. Dixie

Whoops, I misread the scenario to mean that a kicking team member recovered and advanced the punt. (I was watching a film clip of Stanford v. Notre Dame in which this happened). So, it's still delay of game because the ball is dead when any Team B (return team) player signals for a fair catch. NCAA Rule 6-5-2...No Team B player shall carry a caught or recovered ball more than two steps in any direction after a valid or invalid fair catch signal by any Team B player. AND, even though the Team A (kicking team) player touched/muffed the kick in flight, the fair catch provision still applies until the ball touches the ground. NCAA Rule 6-5-1.b...This protection terminates when the kick touches the ground.

NCAA Rule 6-3-6...If a player of the kicking team catches or recovers a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone, the ball becomes dead. NCAA Rule 3-4-2 (1)...Illegal Delay of the game (includes) deliberately advancing the ball after it is dead. Dead ball foul, 5 yard penalty from the succeeding spot. You don't see it very often, but it sounds like a correct call.

Rule 9-6-2...During the down, no player shall intentionally go out of bounds and return. Illegal Participation, 15 yards. (The player does not have to touch the ball to be guilty of illegal participation). But the basic spot for penalty enforcement of live-ball fouls during a loose ball play is the previous spot.

Nah. Sometimes our interpretations get misinterpreted. (Wrong is an ugly word in our world.)

NFHS Rule 6-1-6...If any K player touches a free kick before it crosses R's free-kick line and before it is touched there by any R player, it is referred to as "first touching of the kick." R may take the ball at the spot of first touching, or any spot if there is more than one spot of first touching, or they may choose to have the ball put in play as determined by the action which follows first touching. Such touching is ignored if it is caused by R pushing or blocking K into contact with the ball. The right of R to take the ball at the spot of first touching by K is cancelled if R touches the kick and thereafter during the down commits a foul or if the penalty is accepted for any foul committed during the down. First Touching (or Illegal Touching in NCAA rules) is not a foul; it's a violation which carries no yardage penalty. Based on your description of the play, I can only guess that the receiving team elected to take the ball at the spot of first touching--and then there must have been a dead-ball foul tacked on against the kicking team.

It's where the ball was when it was released: Rule 2-15-1...Forward progress is the end of advancement of the ball in a runner's possession...

Rule 2-33-9...A lineman is any A player who is facing his opponent's goal line with the line of his shoulders approximately parallel thereto and with his head or foot breaking an imaginary plane drawn parallel to the line of scrimmage through the waist of the snapper when the ball is snapped. In reality, if a wideout tells the wing official that he is supposed to be on, and gets pretty close, we're probably not going to split hairs.