There is discrimation everywhere, get over it and used to it.

Ouch. Can you provide a link and time-line for that? I'm not disagreeing, it helps me sleep at night when I see the evidence.

 

I'll see what I can find. My number really comes out of the Kentucky Trial Court REview 2010 Year-in-REview, which is not online. I'll bet the ABA has a similar number.

Incidentally, TSA in Memphis is brutal. I came through there in 2004 with a single white male one-way ticket and was an automatic lock to be searched. They undid my belt and put their hand down the front of my drawers. I actually did say "touch my junk and you and me are gonna have issues," and we glowered at each other for about two minutes. I was the dead last passenger to be boarded, even though I was there very early.

 

I've flew in and out of Memphis probably double-digit times throughout 2009 & 2010 and never had any issues what so ever. Probably didn't even draw an extra glance.

 

Weird that we would have such different experiences.

You're entitled to your own beliefs.

 

Just so we're clear though....You're scheduled to fly for business and after being subjected to a random luggage and person search by the TSA agents, being asked for identification multiple times and boarded the plane, you'd be perfectly fine with the pilot singling you out and refusing to allow you to fly simply because of your appearance? You'd have no issues at all?

 

No, I'm sure I'd be peeved. I'm simply saying that airline pilots are the absolute and unquestioned masters of their domain, and I believe that is the way it should be.

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I'm not defending a soul here, but you're awfully quick to pass judgement on the pilot. Unless there's something I didn't read, I never heard his side. You automatically castrate him without hearing his side.

 

From the article: "despite acknowledging that both plaintiffs were cleared to board, was personally objecting to the plaintiffs being on his flight. The pilot indicated that he believed the mere presence and perception of the plaintiffs on his plane would make other passengers feel uncomfortable."

 

Sounds like he gave his reason, and it's a sad excuse of one at that.

From the article: "despite acknowledging that both plaintiffs were cleared to board, was personally objecting to the plaintiffs being on his flight. The pilot indicated that he believed the mere presence and perception of the plaintiffs on his plane would make other passengers feel uncomfortable."

 

Sounds like he gave his reason, and it's a sad excuse of one at that.

No direct quote from him. No statement. No interview with him with regards to what happened before he decided to stop. No indication from his crew or their involvement in the decision. So, my point is that you don't have the whole story. Surely you can acknowledge that.

^As far as I'm concerned, no reason he can give is sufficient. The men were cleared to fly. End of story.

^As far as I'm concerned, no reason he can give is sufficient. The men were cleared to fly. End of story.

 

Did HE give his reasons?

I've flew in and out of Memphis probably double-digit times throughout 2009 & 2010 and never had any issues what so ever. Probably didn't even draw an extra glance.

 

Weird that we would have such different experiences.

 

I was a single male with no luggage on a one-way ride. That's always gonna get flagged. The breeches-invasion may just have been a rogue TSA agent. They werew still sortin' a lot of stuff out in '04.

I don't have much of a comment on the main issue here. If it was as egregious as written then I think it speaks for itself.

 

But, the TSA creeps me out. Every time I'm standing in one of those long lines holding my papers along with my fellow comrades - surrounded by the distilled environment of monochromatic aluminum machinery, uniformed "agents", and Janet Napolitano's face waxing on about security on several flatscreen TVs overhead - while I silently hope I don't look suspicious or didn't leave 3.1 ounces of liquid in my bag, I think: this must be what Orwell's hell looks like.

No, I'm sure I'd be peeved. I'm simply saying that airline pilots are the absolute and unquestioned masters of their domain, and I believe that is the way it should be.

 

Not sure if you can answer this but would the power held by the pilot be cause for the discrimination suit to be dismissed against everyone else? It sounds like they were working hard to have the men admitted.

I don't have much of a comment on the main issue here. If it was as egregious as written then I think it speaks for itself.

 

But, the TSA creeps me out. Every time I'm standing in one of those long lines holding my papers along with my fellow comrades - surrounded by the distilled environment of monochromatic aluminum machinery, uniformed "agents", and Janet Napolitano's face waxing on about security on several flatscreen TVs overhead - while I silently hope I don't look suspicious or didn't leave 3.1 ounces of liquid in my bag, I think: this must be what Orwell's hell looks like.

 

Makes me think that in many ways the terrorists have won.

 

I wonder how much more we spend on these measures now as compared to in 2000.

Did HE give his reasons?

No, but it won't matter to him if they made comments about planting a bomb in the toilet, it won't matter to UKMF. God forbid CNN sensationalize the issue knowing in advance there'd be UKMF type reaction.

 

And I'm not saying that the pilot was right. Simply saying that we have half the story, as usual.

No, but it won't matter to him if they made comments about planting a bomb in the toilet, it won't matter to UKMF.

 

They were checked and searched 3 seperate times by TSA security. Is that not what we as a country spend millions (possibly billions) of dollars a year in airport security for? If they searched their luggage and persons multiple times and didn't find anything, I'm fairly certain they weren't attempting to bomb anything.

I was a Tain Engineer for many years and once the train left the station it was under our control (conductor), we had the right to make sure the train got to the other point safely, we were in control of that and had to make hard decisions. Never drove an airplane.