They were checked and searched 3 seperate times by TSA security. Is that not what we as a country spend millions (possibly billions) of dollars a year in airport security for? If they searched their luggage and persons multiple times and didn't find anything, I'm fairly certain they weren't attempting to bomb anything.

Wow, I understand that. My point is that you haven't heard a word from the side of the pilot. Come on UKMF, if the pilot has no excuse or any circumstances other than he didn't like their nationality, then I'm right there with you.

On the surface, it looks very bad on the pilot. However, I, too, would be interested in hearing his reasoning, along with finding out how many other times he has refused to allow others to fly on his airplanes, along with the situations in each case. I image that type of information will come out in court.

 

On a side note, was anyone reminded of a Seinfeld episode concerning this incident?

Do we all believe the story that the two gentlemen were searched multiple times?

 

If so, what are some acceptable reasons for the pilot to remove them?

Do we all believe the story that the two gentlemen were searched multiple times?

 

If so, what are some acceptable reasons for the pilot to remove them?

 

I can't come up with a single reason I'd deem acceptable. :idunno:

I can't come up with a single reason I'd deem acceptable. :idunno:

 

I'm struggling as well but I'm open to suggestions.

I don't have much of a comment on the main issue here. If it was as egregious as written then I think it speaks for itself.

 

But, the TSA creeps me out. Every time I'm standing in one of those long lines holding my papers along with my fellow comrades - surrounded by the distilled environment of monochromatic aluminum machinery, uniformed "agents", and Janet Napolitano's face waxing on about security on several flatscreen TVs overhead - while I silently hope I don't look suspicious or didn't leave 3.1 ounces of liquid in my bag, I think: this must be what Orwell's hell looks like.

 

:laugh: I have to admit I enjoy your detailed sense of humor.

Do we all believe the story that the two gentlemen were searched multiple times?

 

If so, what are some acceptable reasons for the pilot to remove them?

 

None that I can think of, unless he has zero faith in the TSA.

I wonder if the pilot would have made the same decision if the two men had wore different attire?

 

"wearing traditional Muslim attire, including religious garb and headgear"

I wonder if the pilot would have made the same decision if the two men had wore different attire?

 

"wearing traditional Muslim attire, including religious garb and headgear"

CNN didn't ask him I guess.

Would the pilot throw off two black guys with gang signs on their shirt or arm? Maybe if they rocked dreads? Maybe if they were wearing an NWA shirt?

Spindoc, in your opinion, what would be a valid reason the pilot could give for his actions? Keep in mind that the men and their luggage were searched multiple times by TSA agents.

I have no idea, frankly. Perhaps his crew saw something or heard something they didn't like. Perhaps something was said that other passengers heard that was threatening. If that was the case, would the other passengers feel comfortable with them on the same flight, regardless of what TSA or any other entity had to say? I have no clue, all I'm saying is that perhaps we should hear the entire story before lambasting the guy.

I have no idea, frankly. Perhaps his crew saw something or heard something they didn't like. Perhaps something was said that other passengers heard that was threatening. If that was the case, would the other passengers feel comfortable with them on the same flight, regardless of what TSA or any other entity had to say? I have no clue, all I'm saying is that perhaps we should hear the entire story before lambasting the guy.

 

I'm willing to reserve judgement until I hear what his side of the story is. BUT, now we get into another area.

 

What if, as a passenger, I'm uncomfortable with the baldheaded white dude with the swastika tatoo on his neck? Can I ask the pilot to refuse to fly the dude?

 

What if I'm uncomfortable with the every-other-word-is-a-curse-word mid-20's guys traveling together? Can I ask the pilot to refuse to fly them?

 

What if I'm uncomfortable with nerdy little guy who is clutching his carryon like it has gold in it? Can I ask the pilot to refuse to fly them?

 

What if I'm uncomfortable with the Goth teens who are flying wearing all black, combat boots, and black lipstick? Can I ask the pilot to refuse to fly them?

 

I'll add, all were cleared by the TSA.

If any of them said anything that seemed to threaten the welfare of the passengers, then yes to all of them. I maintain that if this were solely racially motivated, then he should be canned by his airline. Again, great questions, still don't have all the info. And no one said that it was other passengers who asked this duo to be kicked off. Maybe it was other passengers who asked. Don't have all the details.

I have no idea, frankly. Perhaps his crew saw something or heard something they didn't like. Perhaps something was said that other passengers heard that was threatening. If that was the case, would the other passengers feel comfortable with them on the same flight, regardless of what TSA or any other entity had to say? I have no clue, all I'm saying is that perhaps we should hear the entire story before lambasting the guy.

 

According to the article passengers were told if they were uncomfortable flying with the two men they could switch to another flight at no charge. No one seemed to have an issue with the two men except for the pilot.