IMO to many people on here act like all these other teams have good leadoff hitters. The majority of major league teams don't have really good leadoff hitters either. So unless we brought in like Jose Reyes, I doubt anyone would really like our leadoff man. It would either be his OBP is not good enough, he is not fast enough, strikes out to much, bats only around .230. There are very few leadoff hitters in baseball that will do pretty well in close to all the area's that people want in a leadoff hitter. A guy might have one good year, and then back to below average the next year. So unless we bring in Jose Reyes, people on here won't be happy and still would complain about the leadoff spot. Even though it is very rare to find a good leadoff hitter.

A leadoff hitter's job is to get on base for the middle of the order, so anyone with a .350 OBP or better can fill that role. Pierre doesn't do that. Logic says that the ideal leadoff man gets on base at a clip considerably better than the average player.

IMO to many people on here act like all these other teams have good leadoff hitters. The majority of major league teams don't have really good leadoff hitters either. So unless we brought in like Jose Reyes, I doubt anyone would really like our leadoff man. It would either be his OBP is not good enough, he is not fast enough, strikes out to much, bats only around .230. There are very few leadoff hitters in baseball that will do pretty well in close to all the area's that people want in a leadoff hitter. A guy might have one good year, and then back to below average the next year. So unless we bring in Jose Reyes, people on here won't be happy and still would complain about the leadoff spot. Even though it is very rare to find a good leadoff hitter.

 

With the hitting in the middle of the Reds lineup all they need out of a leadoff hitter is someone that gets on base. A team does not have to have a prototype leadoff hitter to be successful, they have to have one that fits their needs. Some teams need a lot of speed out of the position because they don't have the run producers in the middle of the order and have to manufacture runs. Some teams need a high on base percentage to give their RBI guys a chance to hit with men on base. Some teams like the Yankees have a circular lineup and it doesn't matter much who hits leadoff for them. The Reds have a nice group of run producers with Phillips, Votto, Bruce and Alonso. They simply need someone to get on base in front of them. The players that they used in that position last sesaon were better than Pierre.

A leadoff hitter's job is to get on base for the middle of the order, so anyone with a .350 OBP or better can fill that role. Pierre doesn't do that. Logic says that the ideal leadoff man gets on base at a clip considerably better than the average player.

 

With the hitting in the middle of the Reds lineup all they need out of a leadoff hitter is someone that gets on base. A team does not have to have a prototype leadoff hitter to be successful, they have to have one that fits their needs. Some teams need a lot of speed out of the position because they don't have the run producers in the middle of the order and have to manufacture runs. Some teams need a high on base percentage to give their RBI guys a chance to hit with men on base. Some teams like the Yankees have a circular lineup and it doesn't matter much who hits leadoff for them. The Reds have a nice group of run producers with Phillips, Votto, Bruce and Alonso. They simply need someone to get on base in front of them. The players that they used in that position last sesaon were better than Pierre.

 

I stick by what I said and that is the majority of teams, well at least their fans are probably unhappy with their leadoff hitters. Which is because there is really VERY FEW good leadoff hitters out there. Yet people around here seem to act like it would be easy to fill that role, but it is really not. When is the last time we had a leadoff hitter here that most people actually liked and didn't complain about saying we need a true leadoff hitter.

I stick by what I said and that is the majority of teams, well at least their fans are probably unhappy with their leadoff hitters. Which is because there is really VERY FEW good leadoff hitters out there. Yet people around here seem to act like it would be easy to fill that role, but it is really not. When is the last time we had a leadoff hitter here that most people actually liked and didn't complain about saying we need a true leadoff hitter.

 

Then you are wrong. No, the majority of teams are not unhappy with their leadoff hitters. You are trying to dumb down most fanbases. Actually, most good teams know that Tim Raines and Rickey Henderson are retired. Most teams know that the leadoff hitter has to match the lineup. The Reds desperately need a leadoff hitter. It doesn't have to be a stolen base threat but it needs to be someone with a high on base percentage. Go ahead, claim that the majority of teams don't have a good leadoff hitter and keep hitting Stubbs there. You'll keep finishing behind the Cards or Brewers or even the Pirates. It isn't about complaints, its about getting on base.

Wouldn't mind seeing a SP pick up like Mark Burhle or Roy Oswalt. Probably not likely though. As for an OF, Michael Cuddyer would be a solid pick up. Can platoon in LF, fill in at 3B for Rolen and at 1B for Votto when needed.

He hasn't scored 100 runs as a fulltime leadoff man in the last seven seasons, which has more to do with lack of ability to get on base a lot than anything else. In those seven years, his OBP is .334 ... combine that with his utter lack of power and what might be the worst outfield arm in the majors, he isn't anything resembling a good player.

 

Obviously I didn't go looking at his stats, just knew the Sox struggled in the middle of their lineup.

I stick by what I said and that is the majority of teams, well at least their fans are probably unhappy with their leadoff hitters. Which is because there is really VERY FEW good leadoff hitters out there. Yet people around here seem to act like it would be easy to fill that role, but it is really not. When is the last time we had a leadoff hitter here that most people actually liked and didn't complain about saying we need a true leadoff hitter.

Hopefully Dusty tries out Cozart as the leadoff man.

Hopefully Dusty tries out Cozart as the leadoff man.

With his .332 OBP in the minor leagues?

What about Jason Kubel?

 

A sprained foot limited Kubel to 99 games in 2011, making his final numbers look middling. But he is a proven power source -- he topped 20 home runs in each season between 2008 and 2010 -- and he remains relatively young, making him a potential bargin. The perenially bargain-hunting Indians need a good leftfielder -- they got just seven home runs from that position last season -- and Kubel could fit the bill.

 

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ben_reiter/11/01/reiter.50.free.agents/index.html#ixzz1cTOEUXUe

 

Is this a Red's or Indians thread?

Is this a Red's or Indians thread?

I suspect he was suggesting that Kubel would be a good fit for the Reds.

With his .332 OBP in the minor leagues?

 

Here we go again...Cozart is a player nuff said!!!

Then you are wrong. No, the majority of teams are not unhappy with their leadoff hitters. You are trying to dumb down most fanbases. Actually, most good teams know that Tim Raines and Rickey Henderson are retired. Most teams know that the leadoff hitter has to match the lineup. The Reds desperately need a leadoff hitter. It doesn't have to be a stolen base threat but it needs to be someone with a high on base percentage. Go ahead, claim that the majority of teams don't have a good leadoff hitter and keep hitting Stubbs there. You'll keep finishing behind the Cards or Brewers or even the Pirates. It isn't about complaints, its about getting on base.

 

Am I wrong? Are you able to prove that? Also did I say keep hitting Stubbs there? The only thing right you said in there is that I don't know what other fan bases think about their leadoff hitters, but then at the same time neither do you.

 

What I should have said is we could take many teams leadoff hitters and put him in our lineup and unless they are like Jose Reyes then people would still be complaining about something about the leadoff spot. Most leadoff hitters right now don't seem to have great on base percentages so people will complain about that. Or say we had one who did decent at getting at base but no real threat to steal, people would complain about that. To say that they wouldn't, then you would be wrong.

 

I am not arguing with you about the fact a good leadoff hitter could be someone who has a good on base percentage. I know that, and would be fine with that. I am arguing that you are are wrong that people won't keep complaining about it unless we had a great true leadoff hitter. I mean we have seen fans in this area complain about everything. Shoot the 2010 division champs team, at some point that year people probably wanted 3/4ths of the team gone or sent back to the minors.

Unless there are changes with an influx of free agents...here's the lineup I'd put out there

 

1. Phillips (2B)

2. Heisey/Allonso (LF)

3. Votto (1B)

4. Rolen/Francisco (3B)

5. Bruce (RF)

6. Stubbs (CF)

7. Hannigan/Mesoraco ©

8. Cozart (SS)

 

Now if Stubbs shows no change from last year with regards to K's...then I'd go with both Heisey and Yonder full time (with Chris in CF). I'd also want to take as much pressure off Cozart in coming back, so I'd bat him 8th. If he did get on base, having his speed would likely keep you out of a force play with the pitcher bunting.

Here we go again...Cozart is a player nuff said!!!

I'm using facts for my argument ... what are yours?

I'm using facts for my argument ... what are yours?

 

Well for one he looked very good in limited action last season, a lot better than you were claiming him to be...If I remember right he is another Paul Janish in your mind...Imo Minor League numbers aren't as important as you make them out to be, especially obp...