Clyde is correct, the rules are exactly the same for Trinity as they are for every other school in the state as far as the KHSAA is concerned. The problem comes in when local school districts choose not to accept any out of district students and then cry and feed a bunch of misinformation when they do.

 

The point we are making is your information is absolutely incorrect RomanEmpire.

Guru and others will point out that Boone County schools could accept kids from other places if they wanted to. Some argue it's a self-imposed limitation. So the issue is not really advantage/disadvantage. KHSAA does not have any rule that forbids public schools from accepting kids from out of the country or district. So who is to blame for this?

 

Generally speaking, don't kids that attend public schools reside in a district that has boundaries? What % of public high schools have this "self-imposed" limitation? Don't most abide by set boundaries? They have to have the boundaries because if they didn't, there might be one or two schools out of four in a county that everyone wants to attend. That would be a problem on resource allocation. Not blaming anyone for anything, just think that the privates have a huge advantage when a kid can pay to attend a school. Just put all of the tuition schools in their own group and let em' fight it out. That's why I would be a proponent of two divisions. Just to level the playing field and make it apples to apples. Dale Mueller said that schools that accept tuition have a decided advantage, why not have them all compete with one another and let the schools that do not accept tuition compete with one another? Seems like an equitable plan to me.

You are way off base RE...

Clyde is correct, the rules are exactly the same for Trinity as they are for every other school in the state as far as the KHSAA is concerned. The problem comes in when local school districts choose not to accept any out of district students and then cry and feed a bunch of misinformation when they do.

 

The point we are making is your information is absolutely incorrect RomanEmpire.

 

What information is incorrect? I could really careless about the issue, just think there could be a more equitable plan to level the playing field. Was never my intention to spread incorrect information, I was just stating that the private schools should win most championships in sports because they have a decided advantage, that's all. Why do some states have the separation and not others? I realized a long time ago that life was not fair and I am not a whiner, never have been.

When do you think the Jefferson County schools beside the district ones will play Trinity again? I think they all need to try harder to catch up with the Rocks.

I understands what you are saying, but it's not a public-private issue at this point.

It never was a public/private issue...and never should be one.

What information is incorrect? I could really careless about the issue, just think there could be a more equitable plan to level the playing field. Was never my intention to spread incorrect information, I was just stating that the private schools should win most championships in sports because they have a decided advantage, that's all. Why do some states have the separation and not others? I realized a long time ago that life was not fair and I am not a whiner, never have been.

 

You are correct that private schools and many independent schools have an advantage. No question. However, the KHSAA is not giving them an advantage. Schools that do not allow out of district schools are giving them that advantage. I do concur that it will never be totally even because schools such as Boone County schools do HAVE to take kids that live within their district. Even if Boone opened it up to outsiders there would still be limitations placed upon them simply because of the in-district kids that would get first priority. However, should Boone open it up and a kid decide that Ryle would be better for him than his district school (or private school option) then the public schools would be in better shape.

 

It's not as cut and dry as either side makes it out to be.

Clyde is correct, the rules are exactly the same for Trinity as they are for every other school in the state as far as the KHSAA is concerned. The problem comes in when local school districts choose not to accept any out of district students and then cry and feed a bunch of misinformation when they do.

 

The point we are making is your information is absolutely incorrect RomanEmpire.

Exactly right. The only ones you hear making this argument are the less successful among the public schools. They need to focus on learning from the others, not trying to eliminate them.

Exactly right. The only ones you hear making this argument are the less successful among the public schools. They need to focus on learning from the others, not trying to eliminate them.

 

A gross generalization.

 

Let's use Boone schools since they're in the area.

 

They are bursting at the seams as it is. Even if they wanted to open it up to outsiders there would be so few that could get in simply due to their existing base.

 

So in Boone's situation this is simply an academic discussion. Until they build 2 or 3 more high schools there simply isn't room at the inn for new kids from other districts.

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Not a gross generalization at all. It's true in all but a very few cases.

You are correct that private schools and many independent schools have an advantage. No question. However, the KHSAA is not giving them an advantage. Schools that do not allow out of district schools are giving them that advantage. I do concur that it will never be totally even because schools such as Boone County schools do HAVE to take kids that live within their district. Even if Boone opened it up to outsiders there would still be limitations placed upon them simply because of the in-district kids that would get first priority. However, should Boone open it up and a kid decide that Ryle would be better for him than his district school (or private school option) then the public schools would be in better shape.

 

It's not as cut and dry as either side makes it out to be.

 

Amen brother.

It most certainly is an issue when the publics have to beat the privates for a state championship. HUGE advantage for the privates. HUGE. Anytime you can take kids from out of district and start forming all star teams in the privates, the entire system has lost it's integrity. It becomes more like AAU basketball imo. There are no barriers or borders, they need to have separation. If anyone in their right mind thinks there is no advantage here and it's all fair, then you must be a fan of the privates.

 

RE one of the reasons that Trinity and StX, and formerly Flaget, usually have great teams is alumni involvement. The alumni want their teams to do well, try to influence good players to go to that school, make donations to improve the school and get good coaches and go to the games. Another reason is discipline at school. I think it is somewhat analagous to a capitalist entity competing against a government entity. The government can not build a new stadium for every public school but Trinity and StX alumni spent the money to build new football stadiums and practice facilities.

So in some ways you are correct that the private schools have the advantage. It is not, however, because Trinity and StX take players throughout the county but the fact that good players want to go to Trinity and StX because they want good coaching and a good education.

Very few publics schools in Jefferson County (except Male, Manual and some others) have any tradition. They have few alumni who care about the football program. Attendance at games is pitiful.

Why does Highlands have the advantage? I would guess that the alumni are very supportive of the program.

RE one of the reasons that Trinity and StX, and formerly Flaget, usually have great teams is alumni involvement. The alumni want their teams to do well, try to influence good players to go to that school, make donations to improve the school and get good coaches and go to the games. Another reason is discipline at school. I think it is somewhat analagous to a capitalist entity competing against a government entity. The government can not build a new stadium for every public school but Trinity and StX alumni spent the money to build new football stadiums and practice facilities.

So in some ways you are correct that the private schools have the advantage. It is not, however, because Trinity and StX take players throughout the county but the fact that good players want to go to Trinity and StX because they want good coaching and a good education.

Very few publics schools in Jefferson County (except Male, Manual and some others) have any tradition. They have few alumni who care about the football program. Attendance at games is pitiful.

Why does Highlands have the advantage? I would guess that the alumni are very supportive of the program.

 

Bob, you are a wise man. However, most

will not listen to your sound reasoning.

I don't see it as a public-private issue at all. Just look at the big public schools in Ohio, they are right there with the privates. 6A public school football in KY is mediocre at best and that is the issue, not Trinity.

 

Guru

 

I think you put it squarely where the issue resides - IMVHO.

It's clear there is a line in the sand on this issue. Let me be clear, I have had kids who attended both public and private schools, I am only saying that the wider the area to draw from the better the talent will be, that's it. Some states even use a multiplier (each student at a private would count as 1.5 or 2 when used for enrollment purposes) for privates as a handicap system to level the playing field. Why do they institute this policy? What if the San Francisco 49er's could only pull players from the state of California and the rest of the NFL could get players from anywhere? How competitive would the 49er's be? I think it's easy to lay blame on the publics for not opening up their boundaries, but there are many more issues that would cloud that situation and make that a difficult thing to institute depending on the school district. Don't think for one minute I am jealous of any private school that has had success. I am not. I wish ALL schools this season tremendous success on the field. I am not a "have not" guy who is bitter about other's success, just wish some would admit that there is an advantage because of the better talent pool.