Lewis is not a very good defensive outfielder.

 

You're right that Lewis has done pretty good vs. RHP, but Alonso could easily have the same production if not better. Why not stick him in there to see if he'll be the everyday LF'er next year?

 

I'm unsure of the situation Alonso was pinch run for but I'm sure it was a close game and they were losing, so that's no different than pinch running for a catcher in that situation. Doesn't mean they can't play defense. A faster player is needed in the situation to try and score. I'm sure Dusty pinch ran a pitcher so it's not like they had to waste another player. If Ramon or Hanigan had got a pinch hit in that situation they would have been pinch ran for too. And you don't complain about their defense.

 

Now is not tryout time. It isn't time to see if Alonso can be your LF next year. The Reds need to win every game. I also want to see what Alonso can do but now is not the time to make him the every day LF. I really don't think Alonso was brought up now to be the LF. I think he was brought up to add a left handed bat to the bench.

Lower level prospect but I don't see the downside. You get something in return and get Meso up here for 60 games to see what he can do and hopefully build into next year.

I understand, but I think that if there would have been a deal that Walt thought was equitable he'd likely have done it. However, Mesoraco gets all the AB's down there instead of platooning with Hannigan. I don't think that non-trade has me up in arms over Walt.

Here's another issue I have with some of the "deals not made". I wonder how Votto feels, knowing everyone in the division, 5 games or fewer ahead of the REds, made deals to improve while the Reds did squat. Probably thinking like many of us are,,,,are they committed to win?, and I'm glad I didn't sign for longer.

Here's another issue I have with some of the "deals not made". I wonder how Votto feels, knowing everyone in the division, 5 games or fewer ahead of the REds, made deals to improve while the Reds did squat. Probably thinking like many of us are,,,,are they committed to win?, and I'm glad I didn't sign for longer.

 

I don't have that big of a problem with not making any trades like that. Teams were giving up a lot in some of those deals. This isn't really a team that can afford to do things like that. They need a solid farm system year after year. I do have a problem with not dealing someone like Hernandez.

Here's another issue I have with some of the "deals not made". I wonder how Votto feels, knowing everyone in the division, 5 games or fewer ahead of the REds, made deals to improve while the Reds did squat. Probably thinking like many of us are,,,,are they committed to win?, and I'm glad I didn't sign for longer.

 

I think what it says is what everyone, including Votto, knows. When he's due again the Reds don't have enough cash to keep him. Right now, the Reds don't have enough cash to carry the biggest player's contracts.

Really? His reputation is one a good defensive leftfielder, and the numbers seem to bear that out ... his range factor is well above the NL average.

 

Even if Alonso's production against lefties is equal to that of Lewis, perhaps his shoddy defense would give back some of the runs.

 

I've watched Lewis play defense all year. He's far from an above average defender.

Now is not tryout time. It isn't time to see if Alonso can be your LF next year. The Reds need to win every game. I also want to see what Alonso can do but now is not the time to make him the every day LF. I really don't think Alonso was brought up now to be the LF. I think he was brought up to add a left handed bat to the bench.

 

Alonso will help this team win a lot more games than Lewis or Heisey.

Alonso will help this team win a lot more games than Lewis or Heisey.

 

Could be true. Anything can happen. Cozart helped immediately, although it didn't translate to wins for the team. I am not discounting Alonso at all. I have little doubt he can hit at this level based on all the reports and seeing him swing the bat the few times I have seen him. I do remember what happened the last the Reds had a left fielder whose defense was not that good..

I've watched Lewis play defense all year. He's far from an above average defender.

 

You're acting as if range factor is something westsider made up on his own. If it's above NL average then he is, in fact, above NL average.

You're acting as if range factor is something westsider made up on his own. If it's above NL average then he is, in fact, above NL average.

 

His career range factor as a LF is .1.93

Gomes career range factor as LF is 1.86

 

Not much difference...and you people say Gomes is a below average defender...

 

Even better...Adam Dunn has a career range factor as a LF of 2.01...

Westsider...why didn't you use zone rating to show lewis was an above average defender?

 

"Zone rating. The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc."

 

Oh, that's because he's not above average at all accordingto zone rating...

Westsider...why didn't you use zone rating to show lewis was an above average defender?

 

"Zone rating. The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc."

 

Oh, that's because he's not above average at all accordingto zone rating...

I haven't looked at them ... that might explain why I haven't referenced them.

 

Do you trust zone rating implicitly? I don't know that I do ... it's simply one of several methods used to evaluate defense, which seems to be a dicey proposition at best.

His career range factor as a LF is .1.93

Gomes career range factor as LF is 1.86

 

Not much difference...and you people say Gomes is a below average defender...

 

Even better...Adam Dunn has a career range factor as a LF of 2.01...

Different years, different environments, different pitching staffs, etc. A lot of factors go into it.

 

Lewis has thrown out three guys in 239 innings in left field, which translates to around 15 for a full season, and hasn't made an error. Whether you trust range factor or not, he's made 2.41 plays per nine innings ... the league average is 1.90, more than a full play over the course of two games. Lewis has obviously done something right out there.

I haven't looked at them ... that might explain why I haven't referenced them.

 

Do you trust zone rating implicitly? I don't know that I do ... it's simply one of several methods used to evaluate defense, which seems to be a dicey proposition at best.

 

Why do you trust Range Factor?

 

The calculation of is puts assists into play...

 

Is that really a good measure of whether someone is a good outfielder? I'd say no because if i'm not mistaken Carlos Lee leads the LF'ers in assists this year and he's anything but a good outfielder.

Alonso will help this team win a lot more games than Lewis or Heisey.

Based on what?