So why wasn't Pelosi attacked by the media? Surely not her looks. If you read the whole list you will see it is both Republicans and Democrats, if that is what irritated you. The fact just what I said - Palin and Bachmann bring these issues upon themselves. It isn't the media. The media just wants headlines and to sell ads and those two help a lot with both.

 

My entire point is simple. The media treats women politicians differently than the do their male counterparts. I don't know if it's because they aren't intimidated by them as much as they are men, or what. It just seems IMO that men are treated much kinder by the political media.

My entire point is simple. The media treats women politicians differently than the do their male counterparts. I don't know if it's because they aren't intimidated by them as much as they are men, or what. It just seems IMO that men are treated much kinder by the political media.

 

And I posted a list of many women politicians, both Republican and Democrat, who have not been treated differently than men. Just because two inept women get called out for repeated goofy comments doesn't project to all women. Further, the Donald Trump analogy someone else posted above helps prove that it is ineptitude and outlandishness that is the problem, not gender or political party.

Recently, it doesn't seem as if female candidates are preparing themselves as well as their male counterparts. That's the issue. If you think about it, Bachmann and Palin have both (in my opinion) relied on their looks and outward appearance of "scrappiness" to get to where they are. However, I wills say that Bachmann still has a leg up on Palin, in that I feel she's not a flake, per se, but simply not as prepared as she should be. In my opinion, Hilary was taken more seriously from the beginning because she's not as attractive, but also because she knows politics much more, inside and out, and that's the benefit of her own experience, and her experience with Bill. But, had she been more attractive, the media may have been harsher toward her. As it is, I think that an attractive, intelligent, savvy, prepared woman would probably be a very serious threat. What's happening is we're getting some, but not all, of society's "ideal", and they each get hammered in their own way, for their deficiencies toward the ideal.

 

I think that while Hillary Clinton was taken more seriously she was also treated a bit differently. She was both fighting off the pejorative label often ascribed to women that indicates crassness or meanness and the notion that women make for weak or overly emotional leaders. I remember the instance where she was emotional during a speech drawing out a dramatic response from both the media and critics. I also think many women running for office are defined by their looks and fashion choices far moreso than men.

And I posted a list of many women politicians, both Republican and Democrat, who have not been treated differently than men. Just because two inept women get called out for repeated goofy comments doesn't project to all women. Further, the Donald Trump analogy someone else posted above helps prove that it is ineptitude and outlandishness that is the problem, not gender or political party.

 

And I don't agree. :lol: I don't know what you're trying to prove here. You posting a list of people who you don't feel have been treated any differently isn't going to change my opinion.

I think that while Hillary Clinton was taken more seriously she was also treated a bit differently. She was both fighting off the pejorative label often ascribed to women that indicates crassness or meanness and the notion that women make for weak or overly emotional leaders. I remember the instance where she was emotional during a speech drawing out a dramatic response from both the media and critics. I also think many women running for office are defined by their looks and fashion choices far moreso than men.

 

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And I don't agree. :lol: I don't know what you're trying to prove here. You posting a list of people who you don't feel have been treated any differently isn't going to change my opinion.

 

Gotcha. Believe what you want to believe.

I think that while Hillary Clinton was taken more seriously she was also treated a bit differently. She was both fighting off the pejorative label often ascribed to women that indicates crassness or meanness and the notion that women make for weak or overly emotional leaders. I remember the instance where she was emotional during a speech drawing out a dramatic response from both the media and critics. I also think many women running for office are defined by their looks and fashion choices far moreso than men.

Totally agree.

Apples to oranges, PP92. First of all, he pointed out a truth, there are people that hate him just as there are people that hated Bush. He didn't ask him if he was a flake or imply it. I think he did both with Bachmann.

Then it's apples to apples because Bachmann is a flake.

Then it's apples to apples because Bachmann is a flake.

No excuse for Wallace, he's supposed to be a professional.

Pelosi says more stupid things every 15 minutes than Bachmann has in her entire life.

Examples?

No excuse for Wallace, he's supposed to be a professional.

He is a professional. Did you question his professionalism when he asked Bill Clinton about why he didn't capture Osama bin Laden?

He is a professional. Did you question his professionalism when he asked Bill Clinton about why he didn't capture Osama bin Laden?

You REALLY don't see a difference between asking a policy issue vs. name calling???

 

If not, there's not much hope for you.

You REALLY don't see a difference between asking a policy issue vs. name calling???

 

If not, there's not much hope for you.

He didn't call her a name, Bluto ... he asked her if that perception of her was correct or not.

 

In my view, it's a lot like asking Clinton about bin Laden. The perception among Clinton's critics is that he could have easily had captured bin Laden at one time during his presidency. I saw nothing wrong with him asking that question, either.

^Just so I'm clear, you'd see nothing wrong if he or any other media member were to ask President Obama if he's an American citizen or if he's Muslim?

^Just so I'm clear, you'd see nothing wrong if he or any other media member were to ask President Obama if he's an American citizen or if he's Muslim?

Is there any legitimate reason to ask him that? If someone wants to ask him why people have that perception, I see nothing wrong with that.

 

There are legitimate reasons to ask Bachmann whether or not she's a flake and to ask Clinton whether or not he had a chance to nab bin Laden well before 9/11 ... I don't see that there is a legitimate reason to ask that of Obama. If you find one, let us know.