However, a lot of the things that TO has been saying are true.

 

I agree with you, but TO has no right saying them. He's a no hustle, play for himself kind of player. Pot meet kettle

I agree with you, but TO has no right saying them. He's a no hustle, play for himself kind of player. Pot meet kettle

 

Huh?? Everyone knows that when TO is on the field, he's giving his all. Now I know you'll talk about a couple plays here and there that he looked like he gave up on the routes, etc., but that happens with every single receiver in the league over the course of a season. Effort has never and will never be an issue with TO. Not sure what you've been watching the past 10+ seasons...:idunno:

Huh?? Everyone knows that when TO is on the field, he's giving his all. Now I know you'll talk about a couple plays here and there that he looked like he gave up on the routes, etc., but that happens with every single receiver in the league over the course of a season. Effort has never and will never be an issue with TO. Not sure what you've been watching the past 10+ seasons...:idunno:

 

I"m not sure I agree with the statement that every receiver in the league gives up on routes at some point during the season and even if that were true I still don't think that it is ok to brush it aside as no big deal. Unless you give maximum effort on every single play I don't think you can make the statement that "effort has and never will be an issue with TO."

 

I cannot sit here and say that I wasn't ecstatic when the Bengals signed TO just as I'm sure many fans were. As the season wore on, I got more and more frustrated watching him play. IMHO he quit on more plays than anyone I've ever seen besides Randy Moss. I may have chosen my words wrong when I said "no hustle" because that isn't rue, but I still stand by the fact that he quit too much.

 

As for what I've been watching for the last 10+ years, I've seen a player that has been exiled from every franchise he has played for (minus the Bills). He also hasn't won ANYTHING as the marquee guy (49ers don't count because he wasn't a star yet). And when he did taste a little success with the Eagles he found a way to ruin that also.

 

Maybe I should put it like this, I can't cheer for a guy who obviously has his own agenda above the team's, who has shown time and time again that he has terrible character as a human being and who quits whenever he feels like it. If you can defend a guy like that, that's your problem...

^So now you're calling him a terrible human being....Interesting.

^So now you're calling him a terrible human being....Interesting.

 

From what I have seen from him he is not someone I would like to be friends with...is that a little better?

Plex has been wearing Orange and black for the last 2 years... :lol:

 

I just knew someone was going to say that...:lol:

Huh?? Everyone knows that when TO is on the field, he's giving his all. Now I know you'll talk about a couple plays here and there that he looked like he gave up on the routes, etc., but that happens with every single receiver in the league over the course of a season. Effort has never and will never be an issue with TO. Not sure what you've been watching the past 10+ seasons...:idunno:

 

Well I know what I know and I tried to tell you in the summer. Owens is a CANCER! He is the biggest reason the Bengals have collapsed this season. Just about time for him to fake a suicide attempt or do a driveway workout. What an idiot.

Well I know what I know and I tried to tell you in the summer. Owens is a CANCER! He is the biggest reason the Bengals have collapsed this season. Just about time for him to fake a suicide attempt or do a driveway workout. What an idiot.

 

So the best offensive player they have had is the reason for this season being a failure?

I think it is funny that TO is in the top 5 receivers in the conference and Ocho is not far behind but they are to blame for this poor season. IMO The blame lays first and foremost at the feet of the offensive line and their coach, Paul Alexander.

Just want to make mention of it agian...another game with no TO, Carson throws for 4 TDs and has an almost perfect passer rating. Don't know exactly what it means, but too big of a coincidence if you ask me.

 

Could be a coincidence, then again the recent success of Palmer and the passing game may have a lot more to do with play calling the last two games. When your opponent knows you are committed to running the ball, their linebackers and usually the free safety have to be committed to stopping the run. Such makes the passing game much easier to accomplish: TE has a lot of success due to the LBers being committed to stopping the run and it results in a lot more one on one coverage on the WRs.

 

Some teams set up the run by passing the ball a lot. Others set up the pass by running the ball a lot. It should all be a matter of whether your O line run blocks or pass blocks better (if they can do both equally well at a very high level, they are called All Pro and most teams don't have many All Pro O linemen). Perhaps because I'm a former O lineman, I strongly believe that your main offense should be based upon the type of O linemen you have. The Bengals O line is a much better run blocking unit than pass blocking unit and they should be run first offense. Seems to me the Bengals"coaches finally figured out that the best way for the Bengals to effectively pass the ball is to establish the run and the committment to run first. Even though the Bengals didn't run the ball very well against SD based upon the stats, they obviously showed a committment to running the ball ( think the Bengals had something like 38 rushing attempts) against I think the NFL's no. 2 run defense and had enough success that the Chargers had to stay very committed to stopping the run. I think such really opened up the passing opportunities for Palmer and his receivers.

 

TO is a very talented player. Yes, he disappoints when he doesn't finish routes or makes no or little effort to tackle the defender after an interception. But the biggest problem I had when they signed TO was the indication (at least to me) that the Bengals felt they needed to pass the ball a lot more this year. I was concerned before the season began that with TO and Ocho on the field, the Bengals would adopt a pass first offense, and because the O line is not a good pass blocking unit, I felt the offense would be a disaster; would result in a lot more three and outs; and that the defense would suffer as a result of being on the field a lot. I'm not a big pro football fan and didn't watch a lot of the Bengals' games, but the one game I did attend (actually only the first half of the Steelers at Cinti game) and from the limited amount I saw on TV, that's exactly what happened it seemed to me.

 

Next year with the high profile receivers gone and with the success showed in the last two games (and hopefully this week against the Ravens) maybe the coaches and administration will realize the best way to pass the ball and get big performances out of Palmer is to establish the committment to run first and then pass when the opportunity arises. And if that's the case, I hope that more and more passes are play action passes and I hope they re-sign Benson.

I agree with the above. There were a few games this season where the Bengals had to go away from the run due to getting down early in games.

I think it is funny that TO is in the top 5 receivers in the conference and Ocho is not far behind but they are to blame for this poor season. IMO The blame lays first and foremost at the feet of the offensive line and their coach, Paul Alexander.

 

If I may disagree, as I alluded to in my prior post, I think the blame should go to the play calling. Huge, bull dozing O linemen are usually not very good pass blockers. They lack the quickness in the feet to pass block well. But they run block extremely well. When I watched the Bengals play and focused on the O line (which I do in every game I watch, on every level), I saw big guys that were pretty darn good at run blocking but not quick enough to pass block well when the D felt they could lay their ears back and pass rush. So you have to help those big O linemen out by avoiding situations where the D can pin their ears back and come. Heck, on 3rd and 6 or 7, I'm probably still running the ball more than passing if I'm the Bengals play caller; I'm running screens; I'm running draws; I'm doing anything I can to slow down the pass rush to help my big, slow O linemen. I didn't see the Bengals do much of that in the limited amount I watched them play this year. Thus I think the blame should lay heavily on the O coordinator or whoever calls the plays for not realizing the strengths and weaknesses of the O line and basing the O on the strength of the O line.

Edited December 28, 201015 yr by leatherneck

So the best offensive player they have had is the reason for this season being a failure?

 

How is he the best they have? Obviously the offense was better without him on Sunday and the entire 2009 season. He is the only reason but he is a big one.

Fact is the Bengals players all really liked TO and enjoyed having him on the team this season. If he was such a "cancer" to the team or such a "terrible character" guy, I'm not sure how that's possible. :idunno:

The offense has sure looked good without him (and Chad).