I think that it makes more sense to do it this way. To do it by "other methods" would mean returning to Mexico (for many, a land that they really never knew) where he/she may not have any family or be able to find a job, would have to earn between $7000 - $10,000 just to begin the process. Will he/she ever be able to do that?

 

Who loses in that situation? The young man/woman, obviously, but we also lose out on a productive citizen (military or college educated) that would be paying taxes here.

 

The DREAM Act makes it both easier and harder to gain citizenship. It makes it easier, as they are already here, but harder because they HAVE to join the military or become a college educated individual, work to pay tuition, living expenses and taxes.

 

One thing that I would change would be requiring the attainment of a degree, if the college route is taken. This could be a technical or an associates degree.

I completely disagree. People immigrate to this country everyday legally. From Mexico, too. I'm sorry they were born in their situation, but it's not the responsibility of this country to take care of them. The US is one of the easiest countries to immigrate to in the world, much easier that the ones the illegals are coming from. Regardless of how or when they got here, if they can't comply. They should not be here.

Can I assume that since those of you in favor of this because a child can't be guilty of "sins of the father" are also diametrically opposed to any form of reparations for the descendants of slaves?

I'd rather they have to serve in the military when they're old enough to earn their citizen status. Again, no one is addressing the unfairness to those that come here legally.

Life isn't always about being "fair." There are job programs and assistance available to specialized groups, such as paroled prisoners, the disabled, and minorities. Is it unfair that these are not available to everyone?

 

They certainly can be, they certainly have been, they certainly will be in the future.

Only in very extreme cases, does a judge try a child as an adult. This isn't one of those situations.

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I'm not making the comparison to murder. They are illegal because they are here. I don't care why. They need not be here and sent home. Simple as that.

Keep treating them as illegals and they'll keep acting like illegals...and keep running. That just doesn't seem to be a very practical approach.

Can I assume that since those of you in favor of this because a child can't be guilty of "sins of the father" are also diametrically opposed to any form of reparations for the descendants of slaves?

I'm 100% against them.

I have to say that I am actually pretty shocked. I thought that this might be the ONE area of immigration where many of us might agree. After all, it has bipartisan support in Congress. (Funny how all of the "dang those dems for wanting this" posts have stopped since I pointed that last part out. :lol:)

We just disagree about the DREAM act. If they made it mandatory military service, I'd be willing to consider it.

 

What is the compassionate answer to the issue of children brought illegally to our country?

I completely disagree. People immigrate to this country everyday legally. From Mexico, too. I'm sorry they were born in their situation, but it's not the responsibility of this country to take care of them. The US is one of the easiest countries to immigrate to in the world, much easier that the ones the illegals are coming from. Regardless of how or when they got here, if they can't comply. They should not be here.

 

Who would be taking care of them? They would be responsible for themselves, much more so than many of our naturally born citizens.

 

This would not be an easy route to citizenship and it would not be amnesty. It would be finding a workable (literally) answer for the issue of kids that WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE for entering the country illegally.

Who would be taking care of them? They would be responsible for themselves, much more so than many of our naturally born citizens.

 

This would not be an easy route to citizenship and it would not be amnesty. It would be finding a workable (literally) answer for the issue of kids that WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE for entering the country illegally.

This will also probably sound harsh to you, but are you genuinely willing to trade your children's future and economic security to make allowances for the children of illegal immigrants?

 

We do not have an endless pool of revenue and resources to be the nanny to those in this nation who should be chipping in and providing for themselves... much less the rest of the world.

 

Unfortunately, it appears we're going to have to prove this to some before they will begin to understand.

It seems pragmatic to me. There is no feasible way all these aliens can be expelled. Integrating those who arrived here in such youth who have shown not to be criminals and willing to take advantage of the opportunities afforded to them seems like a good place to start in sorting out this mess.

 

 

It is easy to expel them, you let them expel themselves. The way you do it is to impose enormous fines on companies, $100,000 per person, per day, that hire illegal immigrants and do not give them government aid. When there are no jobs and no sources of income here they will leave.

Can I assume that since those of you in favor of this because a child can't be guilty of "sins of the father" are also diametrically opposed to any form of reparations for the descendants of slaves?

 

Of course.

This will also probably sound harsh to you, but are you genuinely willing to trade your children's future and economic security to make allowances for the children of illegal immigrants?

 

We do not have an endless pool of revenue and resources to be the nanny to those in this nation who should be chipping in and providing for themselves... much less the rest of the world.

 

Unfortunately, it appears we're going to have to prove this to some before they will begin to understand.

 

A serious question. Are my children's futures and our economic security better if these Dreamers (for lack of a better term) live off the government dole, don't serve in the military or don't obtain post-secondary degrees?

This will also probably sound harsh to you, but are you genuinely willing to trade your children's future and economic security to make allowances for the children of illegal immigrants?

 

We do not have an endless pool of revenue and resources to be the nanny to those in this nation who should be chipping in and providing for themselves... much less the rest of the world.

 

Unfortunately, it appears we're going to have to prove this to some before they will begin to understand.

 

Isn't it more likely that college educated individuals and ex-military personnel are more likely to take care of themselves, as opposed to be on welfare? For the ones that come here legally, there is no requirement for them to seek schooling or give of themselves through the military.

 

In overall answer to your question, I am personally willing to do the RIGHT thing by these individuals, which is by providing them a workable path to becoming a productive American citizen, if that is their desire.

It is easy to expel them, you let them expel themselves. The way you do it is to impose enormous fines on companies, $100,000 per person, per day, that hire illegal immigrants and do not give them government aid. When there are no jobs and no sources of income here they will leave.

 

We MUST protect the business at all costs. After all, it was the business, not immigrants, that our country was built on.

 

(Yes, that was tongue in check.)

The legislation is not sound for a few reasons, none of which have anything to do with the prior offense of the parents. First, it is illegal special legislation, favoring on class of persons over another. Second, it creates an incentive for persons outside the borders to break the law coming across the border illegally, to provide benefits. Third, there is absolutely nothing in the legislation that is a disincentive to the children should they NOT comply with the law. If they DON'T complete college or serve in the military in the 6 year time frame, are those of you on here in favor of sending them back then? I seriously doubt it. More unenforceable legislation.