The legislation is not sound for a few reasons, none of which have anything to do with the prior offense of the parents. First, it is illegal special legislation, favoring on class of persons over another.

 

How, precisely, does it favor one class of persons over another? Does this even apply to non-citizens? Those who try to gain citizenship through other avenue do not have to serve in the military or attend college (remember, my change would be to require a degree).

 

Second, it creates an incentive for persons outside the borders to break the law coming across the border illegally, to provide benefits.

 

I don't think that the purpose of this act is to prevent illegal immigration. It is to deal with a problem that already exists. I would not think that this would be a stand alone plan. It would need to be coupled with other actions designed to prevent further illegal immigration.

 

Third, there is absolutely nothing in the legislation that is a disincentive to the children should they NOT comply with the law. If they DON'T complete college or serve in the military in the 6 year time frame, are those of you on here in favor of sending them back then? I seriously doubt it. More unenforceable legislation.

 

I'm shocked at you. Why would you assume the bolded? I certainly would be in favor of repercussions, including deportation for those that don't comply, except in certain circumstances (such as accident, particularly military, or illness).

Some pretty good ideas... But before I would consider ANY amnesty legislation the feds, with military help if needed, would have to prove that they can and will shut down the border..

What is the compassionate answer to the issue of children brought illegally to our country?

Don't bring them illegally to our country. Compassion to illegality isn't something that's a concern of mine. Harsh, I know, but sometimes you have to be.

Don't bring them illegally to our country. Compassion to illegality isn't something that's a concern of mine. Harsh, I know, but sometimes you have to be.

 

The child hasn't willfully committed a crime. All children deserve compassion.

The child hasn't willfully committed a crime. All children deserve compassion.

Then they should be compassionately deported with their parents.

 

I want to make sure I understand the situation. A family crosses the boarder illegally. The child is enrolled in our public school system. It is determined that this child and his/her parents are in this country illegally. At this point is there a reason the INS isn't knocking on thier door?

The child hasn't willfully committed a crime. All children deserve compassion.

So what do we do? Send the parents back and leave the kids here? Do we send them all back? Do we just say the heck with the law and let everyone in? Where do you draw the line?

Everyone cries there isn't enough money for education yet there are those willing to let illegals stay in our publicly funded schools. How much do you figure it is costing the education system to take on 65,000 illegals? According to the census numbers of 2006/2007 the national average per student is $9666/year. That would mean we are spending $628,290,000 to educate another country's kids. That's $12,565,800 per state. I am guessing there isn't one single state that couldn't use an additional $12 million for education.

Everyone cries there isn't enough money for education yet there are those willing to let illegals stay in our publicly funded schools. How much do you figure it is costing the education system to take on 65,000 illegals? According to the census numbers of 2006/2007 the national average per student is $9666/year. That would mean we are spending $628,290,000 to educate another country's kids. That's $12,565,800 per state. I am guessing there isn't one single state that couldn't use an additional $12 million for education.

 

 

Of course, realistically some of the cost of that educational expense is covered by illegals paying taxes with fax social security numbers....just sayin'....

Everyone cries there isn't enough money for education yet there are those willing to let illegals stay in our publicly funded schools. How much do you figure it is costing the education system to take on 65,000 illegals? According to the census numbers of 2006/2007 the national average per student is $9666/year. That would mean we are spending $628,290,000 to educate another country's kids. That's $12,565,800 per state. I am guessing there isn't one single state that couldn't use an additional $12 million for education.

 

This is an even better reason why we should pass the DREAM Act. These kids will be a return on our investment.

I understand the point many are making about the children not "voluntarily" committing the crime, but it doesn't change the fact that they are here against the laws of our country. An acceptable compromise to the individuals this act would help, IMO, would be to make them fill out the necessary paperwork and what nots to achieve legal immigrant status. If they are unable to pay any fees involved with the process then they are to return to Mexico/wherever they're from until they are able to complete the process legally. If they have the financial means of paying for the process, then they can stay. I would think the process for them would be pretty swift.

This is an even better reason why we should pass the DREAM Act. These kids will be a return on our investment.

 

No, it's a better reason why we should enforce our laws and escort them and their familys to the door.

So what do we do? Send the parents back and leave the kids here? Do we send them all back? Do we just say the heck with the law and let everyone in? Where do you draw the line?

 

Hey, remember, I was the one that LOVED President Bush's "guest worked" plan. Couple that with the DREAM Act and we would already be reaping the benefits if it had been passed with Bush. Guest workers would continue to work the jobs that they do now, PAY taxes and those kids that have done nothing wrong (seriously, they haven't, regardless of how anyone wants to paint it otherwise) can choose to attain legal status through the provisions of the DREAM Act. Afterward, we have college or military educated additions to our citizenry.

No, it's a better reason why we should enforce our laws and escort them and their family's to the door.

 

They kids didn't do anything wrong, regardless of how you want to paint it.

They kids didn't do anything wrong, regardless of how you want to paint it.

 

I am not trying to paint it any way. Are you saying the kids are in this country legally? If so why the need for the Dream Act?

 

The fact is it doesn't matter if the kids willing did anything wrong. They are breaking our laws and they are in the country illegally.

I understand the point many are making about the children not "voluntarily" committing the crime, but it doesn't change the fact that they are here against the laws of our country. An acceptable compromise to the individuals this act would help, IMO, would be to make them fill out the necessary paperwork and what nots to achieve legal immigrant status. If they are unable to pay any fees involved with the process then they are to return to Mexico/wherever they're from until they are able to complete the process legally. If they have the financial means of paying for the process, then they can stay. I would think the process for them would be pretty swift.

 

If they weren't from poor families, they wouldn't be here illegally to begin with. If they could work a job in Mexico (which for many of these kids, will be a country that they don't know) where they could save up $7000 - $10,000, they probably wouldn't need to come to our country illegally for work.

 

I should add that it is not a swift and easy process, as it is now. I know of one individual who, through donations of individuals, obtained the money to come legally. The mountains of paperwork that he had to provide, in addition to the cash, were considerable. In addition, he had to go back to Mexico (had to live in Juarez, with his American wife) for a time.

 

I do like, UKMF, that you are willing to try something besides "send 'em all back and good riddance."

Edited August 2, 201016 yr by True blue (and gold)
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