Look, I understand your point, but the fact remains that the flood gates would open under this. That's the problem with it.

 

See the post above this, where I just replied to woodsrider. It might clear up some confusion. I think that it needs to be part of immigration reform, not a stand alone policy.

I have no knowledge of the income levels of those that would be affected by this act, or the costs of the legal immigration process, however, if these young adults are over the age of 18 and have a high school degree, wouldn't it be assumed that they are either working and in school or solely working? I'm not saying a one-time all inclusive payment would be necessary, but a monthly payment plan along with the proper paperwork, and taxed wages wouldn't be asking too much IMO. I'd also make it a one strike and you're out policy. If they a miss a payment, they're out until they can afford the process.

 

To clarify, would your plan allow them to remain in the US to work?

Like I said....floodgates....

 

Again, I don't think that we are as far apart on this issue as it would first appear. I, too, want the "gate" closed. I want immigration reform that addresses that issue, along with what to do with those that are here. Yet, here we sit, with nothing being done about it, because if it is anything except "shipping 'em back" then it is labeled amnesty and there is a portion of the voting public that won't stand for it. So, no politician on either side does anything. I wish that Bush would have pushed harder with his legislation (and included ways to shore up our borders). What would it have gotten him? A democratic president and congress? But, we would already be reaping the revenue produced by the "guest worker" policy. The DREAMERS would already be serving in our military and obtaining college degrees, well on their way to becoming legal, productive, tax paying citizens.

Again, I don't think that we are as far apart on this issue as it would first appear. I, too, want the "gate" closed. I want immigration reform that addresses that issue, along with what to do with those that are here. Yet, here we sit, with nothing being done about it, because if it is anything except "shipping 'em back" then it is labeled amnesty and there is a portion of the voting public that won't stand for it. So, no politician on either side does anything. I wish that Bush would have pushed harder with his legislation (and included ways to shore up our borders). What would it have gotten him? A democratic president and congress? But, we would already be reaping the revenue produced by the "guest worker" policy. The DREAMERS would already be serving in our military and obtaining college degrees, well on their way to becoming legal, productive, tax paying citizens.

But again, supporters claim 65,000 students would be eligible per year but the Migration Policy Institute estimated that around 360,000 18-24 year olds would get amnesty right away, in addition to around 715,000 children. Others estimate between 1 and 2 million people would get amnesty in the next few years. How are we going to support that?

I'll add one thing. As a teacher, I work with some of the most hardcore conservatives that I know. Some of them would make most of you all look like bleeding heart liberals. I would say that 85% of our staff are republicans. However, there's not one of them that I know of, who teaches these kids, and isn't in favor of the DREAM Act.

To clarify, would your plan allow them to remain in the US to work?

 

Yes, if they were brought here illegally while they were minors, I would immediately send their illegal parents back, but allow them to keep working as long as they were paying towards the legal process and were having taxes taken from their wages. I would not waiver on the one strike you're out policy regardless of reason for a missed payment though.

I'll add one thing. As a teacher, I work with some of the most hardcore conservatives that I know. Some of them would make most of you all look like bleeding heart liberals. I would say that 85% of our staff are republicans. However, there's not one of them that I know of, who teaches these kids, and isn't in favor of the DREAM Act.

 

I bet my plan for stopping all future illegal immigration would make them look like bleeding hearted liberals...

I bet my plan for stopping all future illegal immigration would make them look like bleeding hearted liberals...

 

Do you follow the PepRock plan? If so, maaayyyybeee....:lol:

Do you follow the PepRock plan? If so, maaayyyybeee....:lol:

 

My plan involves a large quantity of landmines and sniper rifles...:lol:

I bet my plan for stopping all future illegal immigration would make them look like bleeding hearted liberals...

 

Does your plan reference the following?

 

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

 

I didn't think so.

The only way that I could consider supporting this would be if the borders are completelty secured first and if it applies only to those that are over 18 NOW.

The only way that I could consider supporting this would be if the borders are completelty secured first and if it applies only to those that are over 18 NOW.

 

I am intrigued by the whole notion of securing the borders. We have been trying, at great expense, to secure our borders against drugs for at least 40 years. It hasn't worked. The only way to stop the drugs is to reduce the demand and the only way to reduce the flow of illegals is to reduce the incentives. The incentive is jobs. If you really want to secure the borders go after the employers. Cut off the supply of jobs and you will reduce the flow of illegals. That will leave unresolved the issue of what to do with the illegals already here. Many are the parents of US citizens. Many have worked productively for many years. Others are a burden. If we put them all on busses and send them home, the line of busses will stretch about 2300 miles. Maybe it would be more efficient to use cattle cars to ship them. I think that the best solution is to cut off the flow by putting in a real and verifiable ID system for employers and severe penalties for employers that fail to demand the ID. For the majority of those already here I would give them work visas, IF their record is clear and they are self-supporting. Citizenship and the voting rights that go with it would be down the road. Time as a resident alien would start with the day their status became legal. It may not be as satisfying as "ship em all out" or blow em all up with land mines, but it is in much better keeping with our historic role welcoming immigrants and has the added benefit of being something that might actually get done.

I am intrigued by the whole notion of securing the borders. We have been trying, at great expense, to secure our borders against drugs for at least 40 years. It hasn't worked. The only way to stop the drugs is to reduce the demand and the only way to reduce the flow of illegals is to reduce the incentives. The incentive is jobs. If you really want to secure the borders go after the employers. Cut off the supply of jobs and you will reduce the flow of illegals. That will leave unresolved the issue of what to do with the illegals already here. Many are the parents of US citizens. Many have worked productively for many years. Others are a burden. If we put them all on busses and send them home, the line of busses will stretch about 2300 miles. Maybe it would be more efficient to use cattle cars to ship them. I think that the best solution is to cut off the flow by putting in a real and verifiable ID system for employers and severe penalties for employers that fail to demand the ID. For the majority of those already here I would give them work visas, IF their record is clear and they are self-supporting. Citizenship and the voting rights that go with it would be down the road. Time as a resident alien would start with the day their status became legal. It may not be as satisfying as "ship em all out" or blow em all up with land mines, but it is in much better keeping with our historic role welcoming immigrants and has the added benefit of being something that might actually get done.

I don't think you understand how the landmine plan works. It is only to blow up those trying to cross. The ones that are already here will have to be disposed of with other methods.

My plan involves a large quantity of landmines and sniper rifles...:lol:

 

I think that you and PepRock would get along quite well, then.

But again, supporters claim 65,000 students would be eligible per year but the Migration Policy Institute estimated that around 360,000 18-24 year olds would get amnesty right away, in addition to around 715,000 children. Others estimate between 1 and 2 million people would get amnesty in the next few years. How are we going to support that?

 

For the 360,000 that you mention, is that for those that would already meet the military or educational criteria?

 

Where do the 715,000 children come from? I assume that they are dependents of one of the two groups?

 

Through what process will the 1-2 million that you quoted get amnesty?