August 1, 201016 yr It has been mentioned a time or two in a couple of threads, but I had hoped that we could have some stand alone discussion on it. Wikipedia does a nice job of summarizing it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Act The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act (The "DREAM Act") is a piece of proposed federal legislation in the United States that was introduced in the United States Senate, and the United States House of Representatives on March 26, 2009. This bill would provide certain illegal immigrant students who graduate from US high schools, who are of good moral character, arrived in the U.S. as minors, and have been in the country continuously for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment, the opportunity to earn conditional permanent residency. The alien students would obtain temporary residency for a six year period. Within the six year period, a qualified student must have "acquired a degree from an institution of higher education in the United States or [have] completed at least 2 years, in good standing, in a program for a bachelor's degree or higher degree in the United States," or have "served in the uniformed services for at least 2 years and, if discharged, [have] received an honorable discharge."[1] "Any alien whose permanent resident status is terminated [according to the terms of the Act] shall return to the immigration status the alien had immediately prior to receiving conditional permanent resident status under this Act." [2] What are your thoughts?
August 1, 201016 yr From what I recall, most of the supporters of the DREAM act that around 65,000 students would be eligible per year for the DREAM act. The Migration Policy Institute estimates that around 360,000 18-24 year olds would get amnesty right away, in addition to around 715,000 children (under 17) who are already here getting amnesty in the near future. It's believed that between 10-12 million illegal immigrants are in the country so why would only a tiny fraction, as DREAM act supporters suggest, take advantage of this unprecedented amnesty opportunity? Some estimate between 1 and 2 million people would get amnesty in the next few years. What about all of the immigrants who apply and wait to come to America legally? How is this fair to them? Doesn't the act favor those who are breaking the law over those who follow the law? Justice is a set of laws and regulations that should apply to everyone. It is not fair to give different rights and opportunities to certain people wanting to become citizens and not to others.
August 1, 201016 yr It's absolutely fair if they will vote for the democrats pushing amnesty... :irked: ...since fewer and fewer current American citizens want to vote for them. Don't you see, it's all about what's best for the poor immigrants.
August 1, 201016 yr It's absolutely fair if they will vote for the democrats pushing amnesty... :irked: ...since fewer and fewer current American citizens want to vote for them. Don't you see, it's all about what's best for the poor immigrants. :thumb: As always, its politics over compassion or common sense.
August 1, 201016 yr Author You all do understand that this bill has bipartisan support, right? Also, I again ask of you...what is the RIGHT thing to do for kids that were brought to this country illegally? Expect them to walk back across the border on their 18th birthday? This bill allows them to become productive individuals that can help our country by serving in the military or attending college.
August 1, 201016 yr Author More bureaucracy to placate criminals. Sure, why not? Please explain to me how this will placate criminals...oh, wait...I forget about those 2 year old criminals that came to our country illegally. :lol:
August 1, 201016 yr Author :thumb: As always, its politics over compassion or common sense. Please explain the "compassionate" answer to this problem, if it is not the DREAM Act?
August 1, 201016 yr From what I recall, most of the supporters of the DREAM act that around 65,000 students would be eligible per year for the DREAM act. The Migration Policy Institute estimates that around 360,000 18-24 year olds would get amnesty right away, in addition to around 715,000 children (under 17) who are already here getting amnesty in the near future. It's believed that between 10-12 million illegal immigrants are in the country so why would only a tiny fraction, as DREAM act supporters suggest, take advantage of this unprecedented amnesty opportunity? Some estimate between 1 and 2 million people would get amnesty in the next few years. What about all of the immigrants who apply and wait to come to America legally? How is this fair to them? Doesn't the act favor those who are breaking the law over those who follow the law? Justice is a set of laws and regulations that should apply to everyone. It is not fair to give different rights and opportunities to certain people wanting to become citizens and not to others. That's my biggest beef with the law. I understand the parents are at fault but it still creates a favored class for someone who benefited from a law being broke.
August 1, 201016 yr It seems pragmatic to me. There is no feasible way all these aliens can be expelled. Integrating those who arrived here in such youth who have shown not to be criminals and willing to take advantage of the opportunities afforded to them seems like a good place to start in sorting out this mess.
August 1, 201016 yr I am a huge proponent of closing the border, getting the good law abiding folks who are here a defined attainable path to citizenship, continue to provide a path for those who have been trying to get here legally, and getting rid of the crimminals. For me, if I were a politician, I could go along with this as long as there was a provision in the bill for a viable solution to closing the border. This is niether all good or all bad. I have some issues with it as it stands. - It gives preference to one group over another. - I would be willing to bet just about anything that these students would get aid from our tax dollars to get their education to become citizens. - It does nothing to address the influx of more illegals. The military option is the most intriguing to me. This I could go along with. IMO if you are willing to come in and fight for the country and put your life at risk for citizenship. Then welcome aboard. You will earn college money and other benefits that will help you get an education and enable you to create a good life for yourself. I would make it 4 years though instead of 2.
August 1, 201016 yr Please explain the "compassionate" answer to this problem, if it is not the DREAM Act?Please explain the compassionate answer to those that are doing it the right way as to why they're being treated unfairly by obeying the law.
August 1, 201016 yr Author Please explain the compassionate answer to those that are doing it the right way as to why they're being treated unfairly by obeying the law. I asked you first. Seriously, give me an answer to my question and then I will be glad to answer yours.
August 1, 201016 yr It seems pragmatic to me. There is no feasible way all these aliens can be expelled. Integrating those who arrived here in such youth who have shown not to be criminals and willing to take advantage of the opportunities afforded to them seems like a good place to start in sorting out this mess.On this I can agree. Perhaps mandatory military service would be the way to go, just a thought.
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