I don't have a problem with offering college or military service as a path to permanent residency. I don't see how either weakens the country. On the contrary.

I'm curious as to what other sins or crimes that my parents commit that I am responsible for.

All that made you illegal to be here in the eyes of US law. That's it.

I don't have a problem with offering college or military service as a path to permanent residency. I don't see how either weakens the country. On the contrary.

There are many people who gain citizenship legally every year and serve honorably in our military with out some requirement to do so. By the way, who pays for the college? Won't an illegal alien have to be illegally employed to pay for it themselves? Just asking.

Depending upon the age of the minors and participation level in the crime, they are processed through family court. Applies to US citizens, though. Under current immigration laws all illegal immigrants are illegal, regardless of age. As far as I am concerned, your comparison doesn't apply here.

 

So the only crime that a 2 year old can be charged with is illegal entry into the country, correct?

There are many people who gain citizenship legally every year and serve honorably in our military with out some requirement to do so. By the way, who pays for the college? Won't an illegal alien have to be illegally employed to pay for it themselves? Just asking.

 

Isn't your question putting the cart before the horse? If the bill passes, the kids will have standing as such that they can be employed, as are those that are trying to achieve naturalization through other methods. Thus, if the kid meets the requirements, he/she can legally work (and I would assume, as others working to be naturalized, pay taxes) to earn their money for college.

So the only crime that a 2 year old can be charged with is illegal entry into the country, correct?

If you want to phrase it that way and try to compare illegal entry to the country with murder, then yes, that is the only crime.

Isn't your question putting the cart before the horse? If the bill passes, the kids will have standing as such that they can be employed, as are those that are trying to achieve naturalization through other methods. Thus, if the kid meets the requirements, he/she can legally work (and I would assume, as others working to be naturalized, pay taxes) to earn their money for college.

OK, you got me there, but why can't they use those "other methods"?

Anyone seen the movie "Crossing Over" with Harrison Ford, Ray Liotta, Alice Eve, and Ashley Judd? It just recently came out and deals with illegals in this country and is overall a pretty good entertaining movie. Now, I'm not real sure how it ties in with this thread, although there is some plot lines revolving around illegal minors, but this thread made me think of it. :lol:

If you want to phrase it that way and try to compare illegal entry to the country with murder, then yes, that is the only crime.

 

It may seem like that I am trying to play the "gotcha" game, but I am not. A five year old that picks up a loaded gun and shoots somebody would not be tried for murder (cannot have intent, right?) How is it that the same child can be a criminal for being brought across the border illegally? Where is the intent to commit a crime?

OK, you got me there, but why can't they use those "other methods"?

 

I think that it makes more sense to do it this way. To do it by "other methods" would mean returning to Mexico (for many, a land that they really never knew) where he/she may not have any family or be able to find a job, would have to earn between $7000 - $10,000 just to begin the process. Will he/she ever be able to do that?

 

Who loses in that situation? The young man/woman, obviously, but we also lose out on a productive citizen (military or college educated) that would be paying taxes here.

 

The DREAM Act makes it both easier and harder to gain citizenship. It makes it easier, as they are already here, but harder because they HAVE to join the military or become a college educated individual, work to pay tuition, living expenses and taxes.

 

One thing that I would change would be requiring the attainment of a degree, if the college route is taken. This could be a technical or an associates degree.

The childern should be expelled and the entire family deported, period.

It may seem like that I am trying to play the "gotcha" game, but I am not. A five year old that picks up a loaded gun and shoots somebody would not be tried for murder (cannot have intent, right?) How is it that the same child can be a criminal for being brought across the border illegally? Where is the intent to commit a crime?

 

I'm not making the comparison to murder. They are illegal because they are here. I don't care why. They need not be here and sent home. Simple as that.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the premise that a child born the day before arriving in the US is a criminal; while a child born the day after is not.

Can somebody point out to me where the Act outlines who takes care of an illegal, that qualifies for the Act, until they graduate high school or get a GED?

I addressed your perceived unfairness, but I guess that you just didn't like my answer. Care to answer my question of you?

We just disagree about the DREAM act. If they made it mandatory military service, I'd be willing to consider it.