July 29, 201016 yr They have an elite defense, 2 headed monster in the backfield. Heap will be healthy, Flacco is better than any of us want to admit. And they added Boldin. I'd say adding Boldin more than trumps adding TO. And as bad as I hate to say it, I think they have an outstanding head coach. Schedules not withstanding. I think at this point the defense is no longer elite. The secondary is painfully old.
July 29, 201016 yr I have no bias against Flacco, I just think he's nothing more than average.I feel the same about Palmer. So, I think they're a wash.
July 29, 201016 yr I feel the same about Palmer. So, I think they're a wash. :thumb: That is something I can definitely agree with.
July 29, 201016 yr I think at this point the defense is no longer elite. The secondary is painfully old. You're always pounding stats down our throats, I'd suggest you check them.
July 29, 201016 yr Ravens in '09 -3rd in YPG allowed or Total Defense -5th in rushing YPG allowed -8th in passing defense -18th in sacks -3rd in scoring defense (gave up 16.3 per game)
July 29, 201016 yr If healthy, I think Baltimore and Pittsburgh both have elite defenses. Baltimore has a stud run stuffer, best ILB in the league (still) and the best FS ever to play.
July 29, 201016 yr They have an elite defense, 2 headed monster in the backfield. Heap will be healthy, Flacco is better than any of us want to admit. And they added Boldin. I'd say adding Boldin more than trumps adding TO. And as bad as I hate to say it, I think they have an outstanding head coach. Schedules not withstanding. You really pumped up the Ravens. But everything you mentioned the Bengals might be better at. IMO Palmer is better than Flaco. Bengals wideouts top to bottom are better. Boldin is good but who knows what they will get out of Stallworth and Mason. Bengals D is just as elite as Ravens if not more elite. Their defense is just aging for the most part. Bengals secondary blows the Ravens out of the water especailly if Pacman steps up. At TE there is Gresham(best TE in the draft and a monster) and Coffman who could be a dark horse in the offense. At RB there is Benson, Scott, and Leornard. I think they are pretty even. Bengals may have a slight edge IMO but Ravens have a more favorable schedule.
July 29, 201016 yr You really pumped up the Ravens. But everything you mentioned the Bengals might be better at. IMO Palmer is better than Flaco. Bengals wideouts top to bottom are better. Boldin is good but who knows what they will get out of Stallworth and Mason. Bengals D is just as elite as Ravens if not more elite. Their defense is just aging for the most part. Bengals secondary blows the Ravens out of the water especailly if Pacman steps up. At TE there is Gresham(best TE in the draft and a monster) and Coffman who could be a dark horse in the offense. At RB there is Benson, Scott, and Leornard. I think they are pretty even. Bengals may have a slight edge IMO but Ravens have a more favorable schedule.Wow. You are drinking the Kool-Aid. Please go back to your post and check the might's and if's. It's painfully obvious that with the Bengal slant to this board that many can't be convinced that they aren't superior, and that's okay, and IMO what being an NFL fan is all about. I just think you're wrong.:thumb:
July 29, 201016 yr If healthy, I think Baltimore and Pittsburgh both have elite defenses. Baltimore has a stud run stuffer, best ILB in the league (still) and the best FS ever to play. Other than the fact that I think Sean Taylor was or was going to be better than Ed Reed, I agree. You really pumped up the Ravens. But everything you mentioned the Bengals might be better at. IMO Palmer is better than Flaco. Bengals wideouts top to bottom are better. Boldin is good but who knows what they will get out of Stallworth and Mason. Bengals D is just as elite as Ravens if not more elite. Their defense is just aging for the most part. Bengals secondary blows the Ravens out of the water especailly if Pacman steps up. At TE there is Gresham(best TE in the draft and a monster) and Coffman who could be a dark horse in the offense. At RB there is Benson, Scott, and Leornard. I think they are pretty even. Bengals may have a slight edge IMO but Ravens have a more favorable schedule. You're counting on Pacman to step up?
July 29, 201016 yr So you would rather have these WR: 84 Rodelin Anthony WR 23 6-5 230 R Nevada-Las Vegas 81 Anquan Boldin WR 29 6-1 217 8 Florida State 89 Mark Clayton WR 28 5-10 190 6 Oklahoma 18 Jayson Foster WR 25 5-7 175 1 Georgia Southern 14 Justin Harper WR 25 6-3 215 2 Virginia Tech 85 Derrick Mason WR 36 5-10 195 14 Michigan State -- Maurice Price WR 24 6-1 197 2 Charleston Southern 16 David Reed WR 23 6-0 191 R Utah 13 Eron Riley WR 22 6-3 205 1 Duke 11 Marcus Smith WR 25 6-1 215 3 New Mexico 18 Donte' Stallworth WR 29 6-0 200 8 Tennessee 87 Demetrius Williams WR 27 6-2 202 5 Oregon Than these: 88 Dezmon Briscoe WR 20 6-2 210 R Kansas 19 Freddie Brown WR 24 6-4 200 1 Utah 81 Antonio Bryant WR 29 6-1 211 8 Pittsburgh 87 Andre Caldwell WR 25 6-0 195 3 Florida 12 Quan Cosby WR 27 5-9 190 2 Texas 18 Matt Jones WR 27 6-6 222 5 Arkansas 85 Chad Ochocinco WR 32 6-1 192 10 Oregon State 81 Terrell Owens WR 36 6-3 224 14 Tennessee-Chattanooga 14 Maurice Purify WR 24 6-3 222 1 Nebraska 11 Jordan Shipley WR 24 6-0 190 R Texas 89 Jerome Simpson WR 24 6-2 195 3 Coastal Carolina
July 29, 201016 yr Here are some more comparisons: Ravens 99 Paul Kruger DE 24 6-4 260 2 Utah 47 Albert McClellan DE 24 6-1 247 R Marshall 90 Trevor Pryce DE 34 6-5 290 14 Clemson 68 William VanDeSteeg DE 24 6-4 256 R Minnesota 25 Chris Carr CB 27 5-10 180 6 Boise State 41 Travis Fisher CB 30 5-10 189 9 Central Florida 24 Domonique Foxworth CB 27 5-11 180 6 Maryland 40 K.J. Gerard CB 24 6-1 192 2 Northern Arizona 27 Walt Harris CB 35 5-11 196 15 Mississippi State 36 Brad Jones CB 23 6-1 202 R Cincinnati 22 Prince Miller CB 22 5-9 198 R Georgia 30 Marcus Paschal CB 25 6-0 201 2 Iowa 35 Courtney Smith CB 25 5-11 195 R Central Washington 31 Fabian Washington CB 27 5-11 180 6 Nebraska 21 Lardarius Webb CB 24 5-10 175 2 Nicholls State 29 Cary Williams CB 25 6-1 185 2 Washburn Bengals 67 Rahim Alem DE 23 6-3 266 R Louisiana State 96 Carlos Dunlap DE 21 6-6 285 R Florida 91 Robert Geathers DE 26 6-3 280 7 Georgia 93 Michael Johnson DE 23 6-7 268 2 Georgia Tech 98 Antwan Odom DE 28 6-5 275 7 Alabama 92 Frostee Rucker DE 26 6-3 280 5 USC 21 Brandon Ghee CB 23 6-0 190 R Wake Forest 29 Leon Hall CB 25 5-11 195 4 Michigan 24 Adam Jones CB 26 5-10 188 4 West Virginia 20 David Jones CB 24 6-0 196 4 Wingate 22 Johnathan Joseph CB 26 5-11 190 5 South Carolina -- Mike Mickens CB 23 6-1 186 R Cincinnati -- Antonio Smith CB 26 5-9 192 2 Ohio State 25 Morgan Trent CB 24 6-1 193 2 Michigan
July 29, 201016 yr You're always pounding stats down our throats, I'd suggest you check them. :confused: I am? Other than pointing out TOs #s in this thread, I don't remember the last time I posted stats...
July 29, 201016 yr So you would rather have these WR: 84 Rodelin Anthony WR 23 6-5 230 R Nevada-Las Vegas 81 Anquan Boldin WR 29 6-1 217 8 Florida State 89 Mark Clayton WR 28 5-10 190 6 Oklahoma 18 Jayson Foster WR 25 5-7 175 1 Georgia Southern 14 Justin Harper WR 25 6-3 215 2 Virginia Tech 85 Derrick Mason WR 36 5-10 195 14 Michigan State -- Maurice Price WR 24 6-1 197 2 Charleston Southern 16 David Reed WR 23 6-0 191 R Utah 13 Eron Riley WR 22 6-3 205 1 Duke 11 Marcus Smith WR 25 6-1 215 3 New Mexico 18 Donte' Stallworth WR 29 6-0 200 8 Tennessee 87 Demetrius Williams WR 27 6-2 202 5 Oregon Than these: 88 Dezmon Briscoe WR 20 6-2 210 R Kansas 19 Freddie Brown WR 24 6-4 200 1 Utah 81 Antonio Bryant WR 29 6-1 211 8 Pittsburgh 87 Andre Caldwell WR 25 6-0 195 3 Florida 12 Quan Cosby WR 27 5-9 190 2 Texas 18 Matt Jones WR 27 6-6 222 5 Arkansas 85 Chad Ochocinco WR 32 6-1 192 10 Oregon State 81 Terrell Owens WR 36 6-3 224 14 Tennessee-Chattanooga 14 Maurice Purify WR 24 6-3 222 1 Nebraska 11 Jordan Shipley WR 24 6-0 190 R Texas 89 Jerome Simpson WR 24 6-2 195 3 Coastal Carolina Are we arguing WR's now? You want to know what I think about the offenses? I'd take Baltimore's OL, I'd take Baltimore's running game with Rice and McGahee. You can argue the receiving corp all you like. But all things considered, I like the Raven's offense. And for the record, I loathe the Ravens. I detest everything about them. But I'm trying to be objective.
July 29, 201016 yr :confused: I am? Other than pointing out TOs #s in this thread, I don't remember the last time I posted stats... You didn't post them. You constantly refer to them. Who's HOF worthy, who's not. yada, yada. The numbers in this instance bear out that the Ravens are still a top 5 defense, age aside.
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