I think if a young man that plays high school football learns the life skills that help them to become a good person, succeed in collage, their job, what ever it is, and life. then it is good. How many players that play D-1 end up with a degree?? How many end up in the N.F.L. ??? To say the only thing that matters is D-1 is just crazy. IMO.

Being a good high school football player is an achievement in and of itself, regardless of weather you play another down after graduation.

Same thing with college ball. Despite what you hear said on ESPN, not making it in the NFL does nothing to diminish your achievements as a college player. They are two completely different sports.

 

Great post. As to the bolded, I couldn't have said it better (I could have used a lot more words to say it, but it wouldn't have been better). I played in college but a lot of my high school teammates, who could have played college ball, elected not to. Good for them. If they didn't want to play college ball, so be it. But it certainly did not detract one iota from the fact they were outstanding high school football players. Life does NOT revolve around the game of college football.

The thing is, the kids that go on playing college football ( DII, DIII, NAIA or JUCO) are doing it for themselves. I bet they could care less whether you watch or not because where they're at is good enough for them. To say tons of players can play NAIA or D2 or D3 is a stretch, because there are tons of high school football players that would like to be on any team, but just don't have the talent for even that next level. DI is great, but it's not always the cream of the crop.

 

Thats the thing, "They dont have the talent." Which I interpret it as not being good enough. There can be really good high school players but the actual "Cream of the Crop" (athletics wise) are Division 1 players. I mean you could make an excuse anyone is good enough. I just think in this context, good enough is if you are offered and accept a D1 scholarship.

I think if a young man that plays high school football learns the life skills that help them to become a good person, succeed in collage, their job, what ever it is, and life. then it is good. How many players that play D-1 end up with a degree?? How many end up in the N.F.L. ??? To say the only thing that matters is D-1 is just crazy. IMO.

 

It's a context question and my interpretation is athletics only. Players can be happy if they play for some small non-d1 school, but I don't believe that is good enough. D1 is good enough athletically at least. I guess I say this is because it is the top of college. You can't argue that someone is GOOD ENOUGH if they play at the highest level of competition.

 

My question is, how many d-2 d-3 or NAIA players end up in the NFL? How many division 1 players end up in the NFL?

The thing is, the kids that go on playing college football ( DII, DIII, NAIA or JUCO) are doing it for themselves. I bet they could care less whether you watch or not because where they're at is good enough for them. To say tons of players can play NAIA or D2 or D3 is a stretch, because there are tons of high school football players that would like to be on any team, but just don't have the talent for even that next level. DI is great, but it's not always the cream of the crop.

Great post! I have a son this year who had D1 And D2 offer's. He chose Georgetown (NAIA) because he liked the coaches and the campus. He also liked the opportunity to maybe see the playing field as a freshmen. The idea of telling people he played D1 later in life wasn't a priorty. He just wanted to play football instead of maybe just getting to play as a jr. or sr. if he played D1. Who know's he may never have seen the field if he went D1. I'm still proud of him no matter where he had gone!

Great post! I have a son this year who had D1 And D2 offer's. He chose Georgetown (NAIA) because he liked the coaches and the campus. He also liked the opportunity to maybe see the playing field as a freshmen. The idea of telling people he played D1 later in life wasn't a priorty. He just wanted to play football instead of maybe just getting to play as a jr. or sr. if he played D1. Who know's he may never have seen the field if he went D1. I'm still proud of him no matter where he had gone!

 

And your's was a great post also. You should be proud of him; very proud as he's an outstanding young man. :thumb:

About 6 million kids play high school football each year in this country, about 10% go on to play football in college at all levels. If you get to put pads on after high school and get an education to boot, congratulations, you are a great player regardless of the level of college football. As for the "D-1 caliber" guys, usually they fit into the height, weight, speed categories that D-1 schools want. D-1 schools miss on some great, great high school players because they don't want to take a chance on a guy that is a little shorter or a step slower in the 40 so those guys play elsewhere and make some school very happy. Bottom line, any opportunity to play college ball is good enough.

About 6 million kids play high school football each year in this country, about 10% go on to play football in college at all levels. If you get to put pads on after high school and get an education to boot, congratulations, you are a great player regardless of the level of college football. As for the "D-1 caliber" guys, usually they fit into the height, weight, speed categories that D-1 schools want. D-1 schools miss on some great, great high school players because they don't want to take a chance on a guy that is a little shorter or a step slower in the 40 so those guys play elsewhere and make some school very happy. Bottom line, any opportunity to play college ball is good enough.

 

Absolutely!!!!!! Well said!!! :thumb:

For those making the argument: is D1 really the "best of the best"?

 

 

Jerry Rice - Mississippi Valley State

Brett Favre - Southern Mississippi

Randy Moss - Marshall (D1AA at the time)

Chad Pennington - Marshall

Byron Lefwitch - Marshall

Al Harris Texas A&M-Kingsville

Adam Vinatieri South Dakota State

Ken Anderson, Augustana

Lyle Alzado, Yankton

Jon Kitna, Central Washington

Walter Payton, Jackson State

Art Shell, Maryland-Eastern Shore

Gene Upshaw, Texas A & I

And those are great examples...but are also EXCEPTIONS. If you looked at the % of players in the NFL, it obviously would be overwhelmingly D1 schools.

And those are great examples...but are also EXCEPTIONS. If you looked at the % of players in the NFL, it obviously would be overwhelmingly D1 schools.

 

Of course they are. Does that still mean that the all of the other college football players that go to the NFL are not good?

 

If not, does that mean, by definition, that they're bad?

Good is defined by the beholder. To many a player, playing d-2 or NAIA is fine. To others it is not. Same can be said for parents and fans.

 

Many think playing AAU hoops and AABC baseball makes them better-no problem. At some point it all comes out.

 

Nobody should begrudge somebody playing at NKU for hoops or Mt. St. Joe for football. The kids are still playing and if that makes them happy-great. Don't forget even at the "lowest" college levels an awful amount of time and effort is put in to improve your skill level. It is really like having a job and then also going to school.

Great post! I have a son this year who had D1 And D2 offer's. He chose Georgetown (NAIA) because he liked the coaches and the campus. He also liked the opportunity to maybe see the playing field as a freshmen. The idea of telling people he played D1 later in life wasn't a priorty. He just wanted to play football instead of maybe just getting to play as a jr. or sr. if he played D1. Who know's he may never have seen the field if he went D1. I'm still proud of him no matter where he had gone!

 

I have a similar situation with my son... He had several offers from other schools but once he stepped on the University of Dayton's campus and met the players, coaches and Dean of Engineering he knew it was the right school for him.

Football can only last so long and take you so far in life, at UD you are a student first and football player second!!!

For those making the argument: is D1 really the "best of the best"?

 

 

Jerry Rice - Mississippi Valley State

Brett Favre - Southern Mississippi

Randy Moss - Marshall (D1AA at the time)

Chad Pennington - Marshall

Byron Lefwitch - Marshall

Al Harris Texas A&M-Kingsville

Adam Vinatieri South Dakota State

Ken Anderson, Augustana

Lyle Alzado, Yankton

Jon Kitna, Central Washington

Walter Payton, Jackson State

Art Shell, Maryland-Eastern Shore

Gene Upshaw, Texas A & I

 

 

Do you really want a list of division 1 players that are or were nfl stars? It's like the go to Kurt Warner played in the arena league. I just think in the context of the origonal post, people can no longer arugue if a player is good enough when they accept a divsion 1 scholarship.

Do you really want a list of division 1 players that are or were nfl stars? It's like the go to Kurt Warner played in the arena league. I just think in the context of the origonal post, people can no longer arugue if a player is good enough when they accept a divsion 1 scholarship.

 

 

That's the exact thinking that parents have begun to push down their kid's throats that has made the game less fun to coach...when did playing become about getting scholarships? And even more, when did it become about getting a DIA scholarship?

 

Thanking like yours is the kind that fuels AAU, single sport athletes who need to "concentrate" on their "best" sport, and parents who complain after great high school careers and infect their children with this kind of egocentric thinking.

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