First of all, let me say I completely respect the job that referees/umpires do. To put themselves out for the criticism they receive is something very admirable. I tend to think most officials enjoy staying in the sport and working with the players/coaches rather than making judgment calls or calling technicals. Having said that, I enjoy golf most of all simply because there are no referees and if you do not play well, you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

However, my only complaint about officials on both the high school and college levels is when they completely stop the game in order to lecture the players. My opinion is if the player commits a foul, call it. If a player deserves a technical foul, call it abruptly. The same goes for a coach. I think it is absolutely pointless to lecture kids while stopping the game. Commit yourself to calling the game as you see it, make quick decisions, and stick by your decision no matter who agrees/disagrees. It is a real pet peeve of mine to see an offical lecture a kid. They're not college professors and all they're doing is delaying the game. All I'm asking is just make a decision and stick by it. That's consistency.

You cannot blame the officials period. You as a team, by not playing up to your potential or blowing a lead or a turnover here and there put the game in their hands to "blow it" for you. Look in the mirror, it is not their fault. I have all ways told the kids if you put it in someone else's hands it is your own fault.

Because it was NOT their Responsibility. :isurrender:

 

Each official has a responsibility at the end of a game and I'm SURE after talking to several of the BBA guys, they all told me the same scenerio. It is ALWAYS the outside official across from the table's responsibility to have the last second shot.

The Table side official is looking for violations or fouls in the paint and is not looking for the shot attempt. The official under the basket is not looking for the shot either. they are responsible for the fouls and violations on their side of the court.:isurrender:

 

Sorry, but IMO it is the officials job to give the kids the fairest chance to compete and if they see an obvious mistake by one of their colleagues, I don't care where they're standing or what their responsibility is, they need to speak up!!

 

I can see leaving a foul call alone but this was a clock issue and I bet the other two guys knew the shot was good if they were paying any attention.

 

OT is right on this one in that not only is it not their responsibility but they may not even have a good look at the shot. Each official, if they are paying attention, has their primary coverage area and may not see the shot at all or at best see it out of their periphery but they aren't focused enough to see if the shot left the hand in time. I'm not saying this call wasn't missed but I'm saying it's not as cut and dried as the other officials should have over ruled the one making the call or that they weren't paying attention.

But, there is one longstanding 8th region official who I think might top that scale. He very, very, very rarely allows any of the other officials overrule him, and if you happen to look at him funny, there's a chance he'll "T" you up. He might know the rules, but he sometimes can come across in a very arrogant fashion. If there's ever been an official that I've seen who might think he's more important than the game, it might be him.[/QUOT

 

He'll be a legend, in his own mind!!!

My intent was not to start a debate on officials costing teams games. The thread was started to take to task those officials, and we have all seen them, who like to blow the whistle, or talk to the fans, or make a show of the game so that it becomes more about them than the game and the kids on the court. Cincysportsfan I might know who you are talking about but there are others. I have seen 2 officials in the 8th explaining why they made a call to fans in the stand. It is not about the fans or the refs it is about the players.

But, there is one longstanding 8th region official who I think might top that scale. He very, very, very rarely allows any of the other officials overrule him, and if you happen to look at him funny, there's a chance he'll "T" you up. He might know the rules, but he sometimes can come across in a very arrogant fashion. If there's ever been an official that I've seen who might think he's more important than the game, it might be him.[/QUOT

 

He'll be a legend, in his own mind!!!

 

:lol:

I have seen 2 officials in the 8th explaining why they made a call to fans in the stand. It is not about the fans or the refs it is about the players.

 

That's a no-no in my book. All you do is open yourself for more grief. Making an explanation to a coach or certainly, a player, is fine. Fans should not be part of the picutre.

As to the games affected by "missed calls", I don't blame officials for those. Officials miss calls in every game. It is just a fact. As long as they are consistent and professional it is hard to complain. It is clearly unfortunate but the calls listed above are all judgment calls that some officials will call and maybe some others won't. That's just basketball.

 

On the other hand, there do seem to be an inordinate number of technicals being called and that is an issue IMO. Especially in these highly charged tournament games, I think officials should do their best not to call a T but it seems to me they are becoming even more sensitive and quick to call the T. I have seen this discussed in more than one thread on here from different regions.

As to the games affected by "missed calls", I don't blame officials for those. Officials miss calls in every game. It is just a fact. As long as they are consistent and professional it is hard to complain. It is clearly unfortunate but the calls listed above are all judgment calls that some officials will call and maybe some others won't. That's just basketball.

 

On the other hand, there do seem to be an inordinate number of technicals being called and that is an issue IMO. Especially in these highly charged tournament games, I think officials should do their best not to call a T but it seems to me they are becoming even more sensitive and quick to call the T. I have seen this discussed in more than one thread on here from different regions.

 

Last night in the 10th Region final, the officials had multiple chances to pop Coach O'Hern from Mason Co. However, being such a strong crew and understanding the game of basketball and what was on the line last night, they didn't. If he acts like he did last night in a regular season game, he's sitting for most of the game no doubt.

Now people are going to say, "Well, why are they calling the finals different than a regular season game?" Think about it people....IT'S DIFFERENT!

Just wondering if any of you have noticed that some refs think that the crowd comes to see them ref more than they come to see the actual game? What is your opinions on this?

 

This hit a nerve.

 

Just wondering if any of you have noticed that some insurance salespeople think that the crowd comes to see them more than they come to see the actual claim? What are your opinions on this?

 

Just wondering if any of you have noticed that some doctors think that the crowd comes to see them more than they come to see the actual patient? What are your opinions on this?

 

Just wondering if any of you have noticed that some chemists think that the crowd comes to see them more than they come to see the actual lab experiment? What are your opinions on this?

 

The difference is the crowd. No one goes to watch a protology exam or a stirring arbitration hearing. It is basketball or football or whatever the sport-it is a spectator sport. And just like the players try to act like Lebron or Koby and the coaches act like Pitino and Calipari, the refs try to act like Burr and Hightower.

Funny you never hear Gino Auriemma or John Wooden complaining about referees.

 

Referees are there to provide a fair contest for all and penalize those who don't abide by the rules. Like doctors, insurance agents, and chemists, there may be some that get out of hand. But they do a thankless job for little or no pay, but love the game. But their few mistakes are right there for everyone to see. Give them a break- or invite them over to boo you in your job!

Sorry for venting.

This hit a nerve.

 

Just wondering if any of you have noticed that some insurance salespeople think that the crowd comes to see them more than they come to see the actual claim? What are your opinions on this?

 

Just wondering if any of you have noticed that some doctors think that the crowd comes to see them more than they come to see the actual patient? What are your opinions on this?

 

Just wondering if any of you have noticed that some chemists think that the crowd comes to see them more than they come to see the actual lab experiment? What are your opinions on this?

 

The difference is the crowd. No one goes to watch a protology exam or a stirring arbitration hearing. It is basketball or football or whatever the sport-it is a spectator sport. And just like the players try to act like Lebron or Koby and the coaches act like Pitino and Calipari, the refs try to act like Burr and Hightower.

Funny you never hear Gino Auriemma or John Wooden complaining about referees.

 

Referees are there to provide a fair contest for all and penalize those who don't abide by the rules. Like doctors, insurance agents, and chemists, there may be some that get out of hand. But they do a thankless job for little or no pay, but love the game. But their few mistakes are right there for everyone to see. Give them a break- or invite them over to boo you in your job!

Sorry for venting.

 

Good point. I certainly do think that there are some FANS that think that everybody else came to the game to see and hear THEM.

Good point. I certainly do think that there are some FANS that think that everybody else came to the game to see and hear THEM.

 

And why not...after all they're still undefeated as coaches sitting up there in the bleachers!

I know a lot of 9th region basketball and football officials. It may be that I know them in a friendly manner, but I've only come across a couple that I would classify as "jerks." The VAST MAJORITY are good dudes/women who love the game that they are officiating. I yell at them as much as anybody, and my brother has heard a lot about certain calls, but many give everything they have to give the players the best opportunity to play a fair game. You can't ask for anything more, really.

 

Also, cops w/ guns and officials...Really???

 

:thumb:

First of all, let me say I completely respect the job that referees/umpires do. To put themselves out for the criticism they receive is something very admirable. I tend to think most officials enjoy staying in the sport and working with the players/coaches rather than making judgment calls or calling technicals. Having said that, I enjoy golf most of all simply because there are no referees and if you do not play well, you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

However, my only complaint about officials on both the high school and college levels is when they completely stop the game in order to lecture the players. My opinion is if the player commits a foul, call it. If a player deserves a technical foul, call it abruptly. The same goes for a coach. I think it is absolutely pointless to lecture kids while stopping the game. Commit yourself to calling the game as you see it, make quick decisions, and stick by your decision no matter who agrees/disagrees. It is a real pet peeve of mine to see an offical lecture a kid. They're not college professors and all they're doing is delaying the game. All I'm asking is just make a decision and stick by it. That's consistency.

 

I think i have read a post somewhere on here where we as a collective group liked officials who talked to the players and tried to help educate them in the rules of the game instead of blowing everything and having a bad attitude about.

 

This post has turned into a menu at a resturant. I like this but i do not like that. Ultimately, officials, like coaches, like everyone posting on this site are people. We all make mistakes and we all bring our own personalities to everything we do...including these posts! What is consistent to one is not consistent to another. What is a foul to one is not a foul to another. If we had robots calling the games we would find something to complain about because you know what...were human.

 

As far as the franklin county vs Henry Clay game goes..weve all seen the video. The shot was released with around .03 seconds. Thats faster than a snap of a finger. Instead of complaining about the refs missing what IMO is a 50/50 call everytime, lets talk about instant replay in regions and how as they ran off the court just about everyone got too see it slowed down, like we have 100 times now, and say BAD CALL! When you limit such a situation to a human being making a judgment decision you get just that. Human error. It sucks but you move on.

 

I have not even finished reading the posts here yet and my "personality" is already on fire!

Edited March 9, 201016 yr by bioteacher
I type to fast and do not proof read.

You cannot blame the officials period. You as a team, by not playing up to your potential or blowing a lead or a turnover here and there put the game in their hands to "blow it" for you. Look in the mirror, it is not their fault. I have all ways told the kids if you put it in someone else's hands it is your own fault.

 

Not true but how many times do we have to explain this. It's easy to say if you are not involved.