Imagine this:

 

I have a brother who is a year or two older than me. He took ENG 204 as a sophomore with Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith was a good teacher and would review the exam with the class once they were graded. After the review, he allowed the students to take the exam home so that they could study for the final (which was comprehensive).

 

So, my brother being the pack rat that he is, has all of his old notes from the lectures and, of course, the old exams (with the answers) that he used to study for the comprehensive final exam.

 

Now that I'm a sophomore (at the same institution as my brother), I take ENG 204 with Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith is still one of the favorite professors at the school and hasn't changed his style much, if at all.

 

Looking to soak in as much as I could about ENG 204, I asked my brother for his ENG 204 folder, which included the aforementioned lecture notes and old exams. I used those to prepare for class and when each exam rolled around, I reviewed the materials that Mr. Smith gave to us this year and the old materials from my brother.

 

It turned out that, for each of the three exams, EACH exam was EXACTLY the same as one that my brother provided me. As a result of my diligent preparation, I have earned an A+ in the course.

 

Applying your logic, I have just cheated in the course and do not deserve the A+. How can you justify that position?

 

If you go out of your way to get a test with intentions to cheat, then it's a bad thing. If your brother or a friend has the exam, I don't see any reason why one would not use them? :confused:

Imagine this:

 

I have a brother who is a year or two older than me. He took ENG 204 as a sophomore with Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith was a good teacher and would review the exam with the class once they were graded. After the review, he allowed the students to take the exam home so that they could study for the final (which was comprehensive).

 

So, my brother being the pack rat that he is, has all of his old notes from the lectures and, of course, the old exams (with the answers) that he used to study for the comprehensive final exam.

 

Now that I'm a sophomore (at the same institution as my brother), I take ENG 204 with Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith is still one of the favorite professors at the school and hasn't changed his style much, if at all.

 

Looking to soak in as much as I could about ENG 204, I asked my brother for his ENG 204 folder, which included the aforementioned lecture notes and old exams. I used those to prepare for class and when each exam rolled around, I reviewed the materials that Mr. Smith gave to us this year and the old materials from my brother.

 

It turned out that, for each of the three exams, EACH exam was EXACTLY the same as one that my brother provided me. As a result of my diligent preparation, I have earned an A+ in the course.

 

Applying your logic, I have just cheated in the course and do not deserve the A+. How can you justify that position?

 

No I do not consider this to be cheating at all.

I would love to, but nothing would ever come of it.

 

 

LOL, this happens at every college to some point and I'm sure this is tame to what benefits some athletes get...The NCAA as a whole is a joke! I too attended a in state school with a decent NCAA program and saw several things that weren't kosher! Pitiful event, but it really doesn't surprise me at all I'm sad to say!

No I do not consider this to be cheating at all.

 

Ditto, sounds like the teacher is too lazy to change his exam and the university moniter it more power to you!

Imagine this:

 

I have a brother who is a year or two older than me. He took ENG 204 as a sophomore with Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith was a good teacher and would review the exam with the class once they were graded. After the review, he allowed the students to take the exam home so that they could study for the final (which was comprehensive).

 

So, my brother being the pack rat that he is, has all of his old notes from the lectures and, of course, the old exams (with the answers) that he used to study for the comprehensive final exam.

 

Now that I'm a sophomore (at the same institution as my brother), I take ENG 204 with Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith is still one of the favorite professors at the school and hasn't changed his style much, if at all.

 

Looking to soak in as much as I could about ENG 204, I asked my brother for his ENG 204 folder, which included the aforementioned lecture notes and old exams. I used those to prepare for class and when each exam rolled around, I reviewed the materials that Mr. Smith gave to us this year and the old materials from my brother.

 

It turned out that, for each of the three exams, EACH exam was EXACTLY the same as one that my brother provided me. As a result of my diligent preparation, I have earned an A+ in the course.

 

Applying your logic, I have just cheated in the course and do not deserve the A+. How can you justify that position?

 

Admittedly, I did not read your original post with the diligence that I should have.

 

Upon further review, I would say that if the intent is to simply memorize answers to a test, then, it is indeed cheating. If, however, using an old exam is a part of review for a test and results in a greater retention of concepts/information that is taught in class and the professor gives the same exam, then it is not cheating. Professors and teachers do have a duty to either make new exams or insure that no copies of an exam to be reused is available to future students.

Admittedly, I did not read your original post with the diligence that I should have.

 

Upon further review, I would say that if the intent is to simply memorize answers to a test, then, it is indeed cheating. If, however, using an old exam is a part of review for a test and results in a greater retention of concepts/information that is taught in class and the professor gives the same exam, then it is not cheating. Professors and teachers do have a duty to either make new exams or insure that no copies of an exam to be reused is available to future students.

 

I know one class I had the professor hadn't changed the questions even the order in like 10 years...everyone knew and everyone made an A, if they put in any effort at all to look at the concepts/terms...it always kind of irked me I paid like $700.00 for that class...:confused:

Getting answers and an extra advantage at UK is just something that happens.

 

I know a lot of my friends who are in fraternities constantly are looking at old tests and quizzes, and merely memorizing the questions and answers.

 

Just the other day I sat down to take an accounting quiz, one in which I came in expecting to fail, when a kid in a fraternity two seats down was giving out the multiple choice answers. I am not ashamed to say that I got the answers because in college it is survival of the fittest. No body here cares how you get your grades just as long as you get them. After sitting and reading the questions on the quiz I honestly might have known 3 out of the 12 questions. And I still havent gotten it back yet so I don't know how I did, but I like my chances at a good grade.

 

Cheating happens, and while I know the old saying "you're only cheating yourself," I would rather have my degree in a few years than have to be retaking classes that I could have previously gotten through, ethically or not.

 

:madman: Someone probably studied their butt off and will receive a lower grade than you, who took the easy way out and didn't put any effort on the test. Infuriating.

:madman: Someone probably studied their butt off and will receive a lower grade than you, who took the easy way out and didn't put any effort on the test. Infuriating.

 

Took the easy way out on a quiz, you mean.:thumb:

Isn't the saying, "It's not WHAT you know, but WHO you know"?

Isn't the saying, "It's not WHAT you know, but WHO you know"?

 

And, frankly, that's sort of why mediocrity reigns in many aspects of American society.

Do what you need to do to pass.

Copying is soooooo high school. Performance-enhancing drugs (adderall) is the college way to cheat.

I would guess in a class of this size if you looked around the room you would see more than these athletes cheating. Cheating happens and is wrong. Athlete or not this should never happen. Shame on these "college students " for cheating.

This happens at all schools and not just w/ athletes. It has more to do with the person, than the person's position. It just so happens to be athletes this time, but in another room it's the President of a Fraternity, or co-worker. People cheat. The funny thing about people who cheat is that the karmic forces tend to find them.

Your argument is immaterial to this thread.

 

Probably so. I just don't think we should be shocked when athletes cheat in school. Probably happens just about everywhere.