Well, presumably he learned the subject and answered correctly. If not, he'll go back to class & review the test and learn the information for the future.

 

And we all know that real life isn't what you learn in the classroom. If an employer solely relies on what you learned in undergrad, there are bigger problems than cheating on a test.

 

FWIW, I'm not condoning the actions. Just having a little fun from the other side. :lol:

 

I see what you mean, but looking at it from the standpoint of an employer, if I hire someone who possesses Degree X, I should be able to feel confident that the material required for that degree has been covered and mastered by my employee, instead of just glossed over or fudged. There are many things I studied in college that I've not used in practical practice in my job, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be expected to apply that knowledge in the event a real-world situation arises that requires it.

To me at least, there is no difference between stealing and cheating! Sure one is a crime, and the other isn't but both say a lot about ones character and honesty!

 

I agree entirely. If I'm an employer, I don't want to hire the dishonest cheater. Will they "cheat" at work?

I'm sorry, but if you cheat on a test, how again is that "earning your grade honestly?" :confused:

 

Exactly. Cheating = earning a grade dishonestly. End of story.

Or, you could've studied and paid attention in class? :idunno:

 

Now, there's an idea!

I agree entirely. If I'm an employer, I don't want to hire the dishonest cheater. Will they "cheat" at work?

 

In some of the situations we've discussed, the "cheating" has been getting the exam beforehand and reviewing it. If the professor uses the same exam, is that cheating? Or is that just using the resources available to you? Now obviously the situation is different if the professor mandates that no copies of the exam leave the room or something to that effect. But what if he or she doesn't?

 

In the real world, you'd look awfully dumb if there was an exact replica of a document that you were expected to produce and you did not discover it through research. Maybe not the best example, but I'd argue that you're using due diligence and using the resources to the best of your ability. Yet this doesn't seem to apply in the academic setting.

 

I've always thought this is an interesting paradox. I suppose it can be resolved by realizing that the academic world and the real world are often times miles apart.

In some of the situations we've discussed, the "cheating" has been getting the exam beforehand and reviewing it. If the professor uses the same exam, is that cheating? Or is that just using the resources available to you? Now obviously the situation is different if the professor mandates that no copies of the exam leave the room or something to that effect. But what if he or she doesn't?

 

In the real world, you'd look awfully dumb if there was an exact replica of a document that you were expected to produce and you did not discover it through research. Maybe not the best example, but I'd argue that you're using due diligence and using the resources to the best of your ability. Yet this doesn't seem to apply in the academic setting.

 

I've always thought this is an interesting paradox. I suppose it can be resolved by realizing that the academic world and the real world are often times miles apart.

 

Thats what Im saying. All of these "files" that these fraternities have on old exams are what they are. They have an advantage over most people who dont have access to these old exams, and because I took the same help that they get every week one time, it means I will be unsuccessful later in life??

Thats what Im saying. All of these "files" that these fraternities have on old exams are what they are. They have an advantage over most people who dont have access to these old exams, and because I took the same help that they get every week one time, it means I will be unsuccessful later in life??

 

No, the fact that you haven't already buddied up with those fraternity guys who have access to the files every exam shows that you won't be successful later in life. :lol:

No, the fact that you haven't already buddied up with those fraternity guys who have access to the files every exam shows that you won't be successful later in life. :lol:

 

Haha I always just thought this kid was smart. He gets better grades than me and my friends on every quiz and now I know why. That was our last one of the semester and he just now decided to share his secret.

It's either the NCAA or play in Europe, neither of which is what a one in done in the past would have had to do before the rule change.

 

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It's either the NCAA or play in Europe, neither of which is what a one in done in the past would have had to do before the rule change.

 

They shouldn't have to go though. They really have no choice considering there are only two options and neither one is a good one. Being a one and done benefits no one and the players shouldn't have to leave the country if they don't want to IMO. The one year rule is bogus, IMO. Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, John Wall or whoever shouldn't have to go to school if they don't want to. It's not a choice, it's the NBA pretending to actually care about the players.

 

Your argument is immaterial to this thread.

Does anybody recall the scene in "Animal House" when Bluto and D-Day went fishing through the recycle bins looking for the mimeograph of the test and how shady the filmmakers made that look? Well, there's a reason for that. Fraternities that do that kind of stuff are scummy too.

Does anybody recall the scene in "Animal House" when Bluto and D-Day went fishing through the recycle bins looking for the mimeograph of the test and how shady the filmmakers made that look? Well, there's a reason for that. Fraternities that do that kind of stuff are scummy too.

 

Let's not overlook the responsibility of each professor. Giving the same exam semester after semester is lazy. If that's the case, it is only a matter of time before something like this occurs.

In some of the situations we've discussed, the "cheating" has been getting the exam beforehand and reviewing it. If the professor uses the same exam, is that cheating? Or is that just using the resources available to you? Now obviously the situation is different if the professor mandates that no copies of the exam leave the room or something to that effect. But what if he or she doesn't?

 

In the real world, you'd look awfully dumb if there was an exact replica of a document that you were expected to produce and you did not discover it through research. Maybe not the best example, but I'd argue that you're using due diligence and using the resources to the best of your ability. Yet this doesn't seem to apply in the academic setting.

 

I've always thought this is an interesting paradox. I suppose it can be resolved by realizing that the academic world and the real world are often times miles apart.

 

Of course, it's cheating. :ohbrother:

Let's not overlook the responsibility of each professor. Giving the same exam semester after semester is lazy. If that's the case, it is only a matter of time before something like this occurs.

 

Agreed.

Of course, it's cheating. :ohbrother:

 

Imagine this:

 

I have a brother who is a year or two older than me. He took ENG 204 as a sophomore with Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith was a good teacher and would review the exam with the class once they were graded. After the review, he allowed the students to take the exam home so that they could study for the final (which was comprehensive).

 

So, my brother being the pack rat that he is, has all of his old notes from the lectures and, of course, the old exams (with the answers) that he used to study for the comprehensive final exam.

 

Now that I'm a sophomore (at the same institution as my brother), I take ENG 204 with Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith is still one of the favorite professors at the school and hasn't changed his style much, if at all.

 

Looking to soak in as much as I could about ENG 204, I asked my brother for his ENG 204 folder, which included the aforementioned lecture notes and old exams. I used those to prepare for class and when each exam rolled around, I reviewed the materials that Mr. Smith gave to us this year and the old materials from my brother.

 

It turned out that, for each of the three exams, EACH exam was EXACTLY the same as one that my brother provided me. As a result of my diligent preparation, I have earned an A+ in the course.

 

Applying your logic, I have just cheated in the course and do not deserve the A+. How can you justify that position?