What exactly do the results tell us?

 

Highlands varsity won a hard-hitting battle by a pretty decent margin. I didn't see all the JV game, but from what I did see it appeared that Highlands JV controlled Ryle JV pretty well. I saw none of the frosh game, but it sounds like Ryle pounded the ball effectively & they obviously won the game. So what does this mean? To me, it's more evidence for those that argue that the key to Highlands' success is hard work.

 

Ryle frosh won, and they should. Their male frosh enrollment must be somewhere around double that of Highlands, and the kids from both schools have had the same amount of time working with their respective high school coaching staffs – only a few months. Given that both schools have strong programs, in my mind it would have been an upset for Highlands to have won.

 

So how do we explain the JV game? Again, Ryle must have double the enrollment in the sophomore class. But this time, both groups of kids have had a year and a half of working in their systems, and this time Highlands controlled the game.

 

Same thing with the varsity – enrollment no doubt favors Ryle, but 3 years of working in the system seems to have benefited the Highlands kids a bit more so than the Ryle kids (not that the Ryle kids haven’t benefited – they obviously have, they’re a good team).

 

I bring this up not to pat anyone on the back, but rather as evidence to use in what seems to have been a consistent discussion topic on this board over the past few years – what is Highlands’ advantage over other local schools?

 

The 2012 Highlands/Ryle varsity game will be interesting to watch & see if the Ryle seniors can “push around” the Highlands seniors the way some have reported they did this week as freshman. See everone in three years!

What does Highlands do best? Develop. Highlands is infamous for a Spartan-like approach to practices. Freshmen team has alot of raw talent, especially in Donovan McCoy and Jac Collinsworth. Dale takes raw talent, builds it up, creates a dominate program at the varsity level. Ryle will not be able to consistently compete with Highlands until there is a complete class, meaning one fully talented and fully conditioned/trained. The reason CovCath and Highlands is as intense as it is, IMO, is that CovCath is the 2nd best school at creating that "complete class", or was at least and will be again very soon.

That HHS is 2-1 against Ryle High School????

What exactly do the results tell us?

 

Highlands varsity won a hard-hitting battle by a pretty decent margin. I didn't see all the JV game, but from what I did see it appeared that Highlands JV controlled Ryle JV pretty well. I saw none of the frosh game, but it sounds like Ryle pounded the ball effectively & they obviously won the game. So what does this mean? To me, it's more evidence for those that argue that the key to Highlands' success is hard work.

 

Ryle frosh won, and they should. Their male frosh enrollment must be somewhere around double that of Highlands, and the kids from both schools have had the same amount of time working with their respective high school coaching staffs – only a few months. Given that both schools have strong programs, in my mind it would have been an upset for Highlands to have won.

 

So how do we explain the JV game? Again, Ryle must have double the enrollment in the sophomore class. But this time, both groups of kids have had a year and a half of working in their systems, and this time Highlands controlled the game.

 

Same thing with the varsity – enrollment no doubt favors Ryle, but 3 years of working in the system seems to have benefited the Highlands kids a bit more so than the Ryle kids (not that the Ryle kids haven’t benefited – they obviously have, they’re a good team).

 

I bring this up not to pat anyone on the back, but rather as evidence to use in what seems to have been a consistent discussion topic on this board over the past few years – what is Highlands’ advantage over other local schools?

 

The 2012 Highlands/Ryle varsity game will be interesting to watch & see if the Ryle seniors can “push around” the Highlands seniors the way some have reported they did this week as freshman. See everone in three years!

 

From the outside looking in! Although I agree that the coaching staff is the best around and that the players have more dedication than any other school around, I think it is an entire community thing. The suport the school as a whole and the football team imparticular gets is unparralled anywhere for that size of a community that HHS has.

What exactly do the results tell us?

 

That Highlands' freshman coaches aren't as good as the rest of their coaches? :banana:

 

Just kidding....just kidding....don't get your shorts in a bunch

I respect what Highlands consistently has done over the years but I think the big difference, and I know you will correct me if I'm wrong, is that kids at other schools seem to play multiple sports where as HHS seems to have kids dedicated to just football. I'm sure there are some that play different sports at HHS but I remember a baseball thread saying how they can't get the football players to play. I'm not sure how many basketball players play football there. If true, the question becomes as an athlete, is it better to dedicate yourself to one sport and have a chance to win a title or play multiple sports that you enjoy? I, myself, would like to play as many as I enjoyed and hopefully have success along the way. HHS definetly develops their players for football.

IMO the spread offense and the 3-4 defense are tough systems for youngsters to learn. As they get older and learn this offense and defensive scheme, they get more adept at it and can do more things with it. At the freshman level it is much easier to line up in the power I or a wing T and pound the ball at the other team, especially running at the 3-4 defense which again in my opinion takes modifying to stop the off tackle play which Highlands may not have all the adjustments in place at the freshman level. I would summarize by saying that maybe the systems of offense and defense the different teams learn and or use could handicap or help them at this level.

You could argue that Frosh ball is more about Jimmies and Joes and the higher levels are more about Xs and Os.

You could argue that Frosh ball is more about Jimmies and Joes and the higher levels are more about Xs and Os.

 

That's an argument I've made many, many times (probably where you got your idea, now that I think about it:D). In my opinion, frosh football shows little other than the raw athletic ability in that class. Such can be an accurate barometer of what will "happen" in 3 years, but often is not.

 

I also think that Bluejacket made an excellent point. It is much easier to effectively run "simple" offenses and defenses as freshmen than trying to learn and run the spread offense or the 3-4 defense.

^I agree. Too many variable in the three years between frosh and senior year. Plus take in to aacount any sophs and jrs that may be contibuting in 2012. Hard to make any assumptions about how Ryle and Highlands stack up 3 years from now.

You could argue that Frosh ball is more about Jimmies and Joes and the higher levels are more about Xs and Os.

 

Along with that, I think it is more easy for one or two stud athletes to dominate, where when you get to the varsity level it becomes more of a team game.

That's an argument I've made many, many times (probably where you got your idea, now that I think about it:D). In my opinion, frosh football shows little other than the raw athletic ability in that class. Such can be an accurate barometer of what will "happen" in 3 years, but often is not.

 

I also think that Bluejacket made an excellent point. It is much easier to effectively run "simple" offenses and defenses as freshmen than trying to learn and run the spread offense or the 3-4 defense.

 

I think I got the idea for BGP from you too... Wait a minute, I met you through BGP.

 

All kidding aside, I think it is great for Ryle and I love the fact that Coach Warner and Ryle have stepped to the plate against HHS. Hopefully it will become a long standing tradition that will surely benefit both programs.

That's an argument I've made many, many times (probably where you got your idea, now that I think about it:D). In my opinion, frosh football shows little other than the raw athletic ability in that class. Such can be an accurate barometer of what will "happen" in 3 years, but often is not.

 

I also think that Bluejacket made an excellent point. It is much easier to effectively run "simple" offenses and defenses as freshmen than trying to learn and run the spread offense or the 3-4 defense.

 

HHS runs a 3-5 and there freshman run a 5-3 kind of the same but different approach.

 

HHS spread offense is not that complicated realitve to other types of spread offenses. But that is the beauty of it. They do not do a lot of different things as far as amount of plays are concerned. But what they do is perfect it, very much a less is more approach.

 

As far as JV I think Ryle is playing quite a few underclassmen on the varsity.

Here's a question: how complicated are the offensive and defensive schemes that NKY varsity football programs (such as Highlands and Ryle) run? I remember reading an interview with Highlands' defensive coordinator back in 2004 (the year Highlands had a crazy good defense), and he said something to the effect of "I decided to make the defensive scheme simpler so that the outstanding athletes for Highlands could fully exploit their athletic abilities and not over-think things, and this really paid off." I got the impression from this interview that in high school, schemes are not as important and the quality of the players. What do you guys think?

 

Back in 2005 Highlands got blasted by Louisville Saint X 45-0 (or thereabouts)... I doubt this would be the outcome if these two teams played last year or this year. Is this because Highlands is now running better schemes and getting better technical execution from players than they were in 2005, or is it because 2005 was a bit of a down year for Highlands talent-wise?

Here's a question: how complicated are the offensive and defensive schemes that NKY varsity football programs (such as Highlands and Ryle) run? I remember reading an interview with Highlands' defensive coordinator back in 2004 (the year Highlands had a crazy good defense), and he said something to the effect of "I decided to make the defensive scheme simpler so that the outstanding athletes for Highlands could fully exploit their athletic abilities and not over-think things, and this really paid off." I got the impression from this interview that in high school, schemes are not as important and the quality of the players. What do you guys think?

 

Back in 2005 Highlands got blasted by Louisville Saint X 45-0 (or thereabouts)... I doubt this would be the outcome if these two teams played last year or this year. Is this because Highlands is now running better schemes and getting better technical execution from players than they were in 2005, or is it because 2005 was a bit of a down year for Highlands talent-wise?

 

 

Here's my take on what happened against X in 05: We got blasted in 2005 by X for multiple reasons. Playing Colerain the week before on a Saturday (which means one less recovery/preparation day) didn't help. We came out of the Colerain game very beat up. Having to play two big and physical teams like Colerain and X back to back is pretty tough on a relatively small school. Frankly it happened again in 06 when we played Elder and X back to back, although because of the experienced gained in 05 by the returning starters kept the game much, much closer. Our starting qb in 05 didn't play much against Colerain because of a shoulder injury. The back up qb got knocked out of the Colerain game with a concussion. I'm not sure if he even practiced or played the X week. I think the starting qb played the entire game against X, but his shoulder was still banged up. Also, we started a lot of sophomores (albeit talented sophomores) in 05 . They were talented (that was the group that were seniors in 07), but it's still tough for them to compete against likewise very talented seniors on X's team who had two years of lifting, practicing and conditioning on our sophomores. Furthermore many of the junior and senior starters on the 2005 team didn't start the year before because the 2004 team was a heavily senior dominated team. Cecil had started at qb in 2004 and Kramer had also started some games, but none of the O line started in 2004. I don't think many, if any, of the starters on 05defense had started in 04. We were a very inexperienced and very young team in 05. X was pretty dang good too don't forget (much like they are every year). I don't think the blow out in 05 had anything to do with technical things. X was just that much better than we were in 05. Just my thoughts.