Have always thought of Gray along the lines of Dustin Grutza in basketball and football, but hey am not going to argue with success?

Not to turn the focus away from the active Fleming discussion. But does anyone know when Farley will return. We missed his deep ball last night!

Disclaimer: First I want to say that Fleming County deserved to win this game, and did. Raceland did not deserve to win this game and didn't. No outside factor will change my mind on these facts. And nothing I say after this is meant to say that Raceland lost because of the officiating.

 

Ram climbs on his soapbox.

 

This is the only officiating crew that I have ever complained about on BGP. Raceland has had this crew twice before, and after the third time last night, they are still the worst officiating crew to ever step foot on a football field. This crew should never be allowed to officiate a JFL game, let a lone a varsity game. In the two previous games that they have officated a Raceland game, Raceland won both by large margins, so don't think I am only complaining because Raceland lost this game. And, I have a feeling if you asked the Fleming County coaching staff their opinion, they would overwhelming agree with me on all these facts. So, this is not sour grapes. This crew is terrible, and if this was a district game, or a playoff game, they could have easily decided the outcome of this game.

 

One example of their ineptitude: Raceland QB throws a pass from Raceland endzone, while under pressure, the pass almost hits a RB in the foot, down field out of the end zone. Safety is called (intentional grounding). Two points are credited to Fleming County. Both teams line up for Fleming County to receive a Free Kick. The official then singles that Fleming County was assessed a facemask penalty on the "Safety" play, then begin to assess that penalty on the Free Kick. Now, most would know if the defense is assessed a penalty, on the same play as the offense is assessed a penelety, the penalties offset and you have to replay the last down. Well, that is what the officials figured out, right before Raceland kicked the free kick, and had the two points taken off of the board and replayed the last down.

 

Fleming County's coach was livid, and I don't blame him, the facemask was never mentioned until both teams were lined up for a free kick.

 

Now, this doesn't account for a no call on a pass interference on Fleming County in another play, that the official said it was not called because the pass was "Uncatchable". Uncatchable? Most people that know anything about high school football, knows that their is not such thing as "Uncatchable" in high school football. Pass interference, in pass interference, no matter if the pass is uncatchable or not.

 

This does not account for the fact the ball was spotted incorrectly multiple times, for both teams. You never knew where the ball was going to be spotted. Even the PA ancouncer would say, "tackled for a loss", then have to come back and say, "No, that was a three yard gain". Now, the PA guy is not the official spotter, but everyone could see when a player was tackled behind the line, obviously for a loss, then the ball is spotted for a three yard gain. And, sometimes, for both teams, a player would fall forward for an obvious one or two yard gain, and the spot would be for a loss. Then the PA guy would come back across and say "no that was a one yard loss".

 

Again, this does not account for the four of five times that a penalty flag was thrown and a penalty was stepped off and no signal was given and the coaches had to walk out on the field and ask what was called. Or the one penalty that was marked off at seven yards in the middle of the field. What penalty is worth seven yards?

 

And on numerous occasions there were official conferences in the middle of the field that seemed like they were ten minutes long after a flag was thrown. I know that sometimes officials have to confer on a call, but how many games have you seen where they have to do it eight times in one game.

 

One Fleming County fan said, that that crew was not supposed to be allowed to call games at Fleming County anymore, so this is not just a Raceland fan going off about a loss and blaming the officials, this is a real concern. Several Horse Collar tackles were not called, one on Raceland, two on Fleming County. Several Facemask calls were not called, that were obvious, head turned, two on Fleming County. This is a safety issue. This crew should not be able to call high school football games. They are not capable, pure and simple.

 

Ram steps off of his soapbox.

 

Ram has one foot on soapbox.

 

And before someone says, "We are taking applications for officials, if you would like to help out". Please.................

 

Ram now has both feet firmly on the ground, and no soapbox in sight.

 

If anyone on here is fan of the UFC... The number one unspoken rule amongst the fighters is to knock your opponent out or tap him out... Do not leave the decision in the Officials hands, Leave no doubt.

If anyone on here is fan of the UFC... The number one unspoken rule amongst the fighters is to knock your opponent out or tap him out... Do not leave the decision in the Officials hands, Leave no doubt.

Exactly. And if you noticed, I said multiple times that the team that should have won, did in fact win.

Exactly. And if you noticed, I said multiple times that the team that should have won, did in fact win.

 

I concur, I was in no way suggesting you were not giving due credit to the victor.

I have a similar conversation with my son all the time. He always asks me, "Dad would you like to lose by 1 or 2 points or be destroyed by 50?" I answer with - beat me and beat me bad, I would much rather get my butt whooped then to walk away losing by 2 points.

Because I will beat myself up replaying the game and second guessing every aspect of it. The what if's creep in... what if I did this differently or what if I did not do that.... In a blow out I feel the better team/person won. "Leave No Doubt"

I concur, I was in no way suggesting you were not giving due credit to the victor.

I have a similar conversation with my son all the time. He always asks me, "Dad would you like to lose by 1 or 2 points or be destroyed by 50?" I answer with - beat me and beat me bad, I would much rather get my butt whooped then to walk away losing by 2 points.

Because I will beat myself up replaying the game and second guessing every aspect of it. The what if's creep in... what if I did this differently or what if I did not do that.... In a blow out I feel the better team/person won. "Leave No Doubt"

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That sounds terrible Ram. I hate that officials would be allowed to Ref high school games if they have no idea what they are doing. They are only hurting the kids that are involved because of all of their hard work getting prepared for the game so should the officials. Sounds like your guys association needs to do smoehting about it. Have they been contacted? Or do they just don't care?

About what year did the coaches grading the officials after the game stop? At least a coach had a vehicle to voice an opinion.

Any chance that the Gray boy for Fleming is the son of David Gray? Anyone Fleming folk know?

Rams have personnel issues.

Any chance that the Gray boy for Fleming is the son of David Gray? Anyone Fleming folk know?

 

No, I don't believe Josh Gray is related to David at all. I assume you are talking about David Gray who played baseball at Fleming and MSU. David has sons but they are younger (around 6th and 7th grade).

No, I don't believe Josh Gray is related to David at all. I assume you are talking about David Gray who played baseball at Fleming and MSU. David has sons but they are younger (around 6th and 7th grade).

Yes, David and I played at MSU and for Don Hardin in Morehead together. Thanks for the info.:thumb:

His son is one heck of a athlete. I do know that, so when was the last time

Fleming went 4-0?

His son is one heck of a athlete. I do know that, so when was the last time

Fleming went 4-0?[/quote.

 

The 2004 squad started 9-0, lost to Russell in the last game of the season, finished 11-2, lost to Russell in Regional Championship game as well.

How is Farley's back? If he is healthy will he start this week?

Congrats. to Fleming Co.