I have no answer for "B" but I can certainly understand the president trying to appeal to muslims that americans are not entirely dissimilar to themselves, that indeed, the US has a large population of citizens that are muslim.

 

I agree than Muslims aren't automatically different than Americans, and that the US has a large (depending on your definition of large, but I agree) population of Muslims. I just can't imagine why he would say it; I mean, I've seen estimates that says the U.S. has more Buddhists than Muslims, but I don't see the President saying that to a Buddhist nation. Similarly, atheists are the 3rd largest group- why doesn't he say something regarding that to some of the European countries ()?

 

But in all seriousness, why the heck does the religion matter? There are good people and bad people of all religions. It just doesn't seem to matter, and since separation of church and state is so important to many people, I don't understand why the President feels the need to say such things. It's just bizarre to me.

I agree than Muslims aren't automatically different than Americans, and that the US has a large (depending on your definition of large, but I agree) population of Muslims. I just can't imagine why he would say it; I mean, I've seen estimates that says the U.S. has more Buddhists than Muslims, but I don't see the President saying that to a Buddhist nation. Similarly, atheists are the 3rd largest group- why doesn't he say something regarding that to some of the European countries ()?

 

But in all seriousness, why the heck does the religion matter? There are good people and bad people of all religions. It just doesn't seem to matter, and since separation of church and state is so important to many people, I don't understand why the President feels the need to say such things. It's just bizarre to me.

 

I think that it all has to do with your 2nd paragraph. You and I feel this way, but there are too many of a variety of religions (and of none) that don't feel this way. Add in the anti-Muslim sentiment that many americans have and the anti-american sentiment that many muslims have and the gap between the two groups widens.

Estimates. Just like the estimates in the previously linked article that referred to a Pew poll indicating that the number was closer to 1.8 million. In either case, the US is no more that 25th in muslim population. No where near the one of the largest. So yes, it is false.

 

It's hard to tell I guess. But I don't think he said anything all that bad either way.

Which one of these statements rolled of BHO's tongue the easiest?

 

1. "We are not a Christian nation".

 

2. "We could be one of the largest Muslim nations".

 

Can we add?

 

3. "...my Muslim faith..."

 

 

4. "Stumble" (according to WH press sec) that looks like a bow to the King of Saudi Arabia.

 

 

BTW...it looks like bowing around BHO is getting popular. Brian Williams at 10 second mark of this video.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMt_DTVcXOE

 

 

As for #2. It is possibly wishfull thinking on BHO's part but is far, far from the anywhere near the truth. The average estimate of the number of Muslims in the US is around 6 million and that has been challenged as overstated. Even so, that would put the US at least only 34th in terms of Muslim population.

 

http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/5271489/

I agree than Muslims aren't automatically different than Americans, and that the US has a large (depending on your definition of large, but I agree) population of Muslims. I just can't imagine why he would say it; I mean, I've seen estimates that says the U.S. has more Buddhists than Muslims, but I don't see the President saying that to a Buddhist nation. Similarly, atheists are the 3rd largest group- why doesn't he say something regarding that to some of the European countries ()?

 

But in all seriousness, why the heck does the religion matter? There are good people and bad people of all religions. It just doesn't seem to matter, and since separation of church and state is so important to many people, I don't understand why the President feels the need to say such things. It's just bizarre to me.

I'm too lazy to look but you can go back just one administration and find NUMEROUS quotes referring to his Christian faith. Hell, he even called the war on terror a crusade. I don't recall hearing much about that. It was Bush and his lackey's pandering to the religous right that cost the GOP it's soul.

I'm too lazy to look but you can go back just one administration and find NUMEROUS quotes referring to his Christian faith. Hell, he even called the war on terror a crusade. I don't recall hearing much about that. It was Bush and his lackey's pandering to the religous right that cost the GOP it's soul.

 

I totally disagree. Frankly the GOP has not lost it's soul. People (including Rush) who think that Obama got elected due to catastrophic failures by the GOP are ignoring history and the fickle mentality of the American voter.

I totally disagree. Frankly the GOP has not lost it's soul. People (including Rush) who think that Obama got elected due to catastrophic failures by the GOP are ignoring history and the fickle mentality of the American voter.

Still being a GOP supporter I would assume this to be your position.

What I find most interesting is the obvious contradiction in the statements...

 

1. He says, ""...if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world".

 

As has been stated on here, we'd be no higher than #25, so first of all, I suppose it depends on how far the list of "largest" extends. At best, he seems to be stretching things a bit.

 

2. According to one site I looked at, the United States has over 224 million Christians (about 85% of the population) and the most of any country in the world.

 

So, the same man who says, "...we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world," when the stats show us #25 at best, says, "We are not a Christian nation," when the stats show us roughly 85 million ahead of #2 in the world (Brazil).

 

Interesting. To me anyway.

Do either of these bother you?

 

As a Christian who lives in a country that was built on "In God We Trust" it definately bothers me. As a Christian and a History major I can tell you that every major empiror down through history only found it's demise when they turned their back on God! I will not support any views that has our country turning it's back on God. I am a former U.S. Marine and I served this country because it is the greatest country in the world and it is the greatest country in the world because it is a God fearing country. There are a lot of people who want people to believe that christians are now a minority in this country but that is a load of garbage. We are still a country that is mostly made up of Christians and God fearing people. I once had a friend who said he was an atheist and said he didn't believe in God and I told him it was ok because God doesn't believe in atheists. I am definately offended and upset that our countries leader doesn't think that we are a christian nation, I will pray for him!

So much that I cannot believe there isn't an impeachment pending. Absolutely just astonishing that he said these things. Our founding fathers are rolling over and attempting to stand up in their grave.

 

Amen and again I say Amen!

I'm too lazy to look but you can go back just one administration and find NUMEROUS quotes referring to his Christian faith. Hell, he even called the war on terror a crusade. I don't recall hearing much about that. It was Bush and his lackey's pandering to the religous right that cost the GOP it's soul.

 

I am glad Bush proclaimed he is a christian and I think all presidents should be of christian faith and have a good relationship with God if they are going to lead our country. I want God at the head of this country and God alone. As soon as we push God far enough to the side that he turns from us we will wish..........no we will be on our knees praying that he comes back to us! I would be carefull of what you say, even on a public forum like BGP because God know all. I just can't help but think how many BGP'ers are Sunday christians?

Post 4.

 

Thanks I missed it.

I am glad Bush proclaimed he is a christian and I think all presidents should be of christian faith and have a good relationship with God if they are going to lead our country. I want God at the head of this country and God alone. As soon as we push God far enough to the side that he turns from us we will wish..........no we will be on our knees praying that he comes back to us! I would be carefull of what you say, even on a public forum like BGP because God know all. I just can't help but think how many BGP'ers are Sunday christians?

Well, I prefer the decisions of my country to be based on many things...the opinion of a persons chosen deity isn't one of those.

I have no answer for "B" but I can certainly understand the president trying to appeal to muslims that americans are not entirely dissimilar to themselves, that indeed, the US has a large population of citizens that are muslim.

 

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I totally disagree. Frankly the GOP has not lost it's soul. People (including Rush) who think that Obama got elected due to catastrophic failures by the GOP are ignoring history and the fickle mentality of the American voter.

 

I think the GOP has lost its way. Or else GHWB wouldn't have raised taxes, and GWB wouldn't have drastically increased government spending. And Republican-controlled Congresses wouldn't have been the champions of earmarks for the past few sessions as they have.

 

My view on the parties is this: the Republicans are hypocrites and the Democrats are just wrong. I support neither.