Most of those desiring a larger more intrusive government, are (let's face it) losers, illegals, morons, lazy or a combination of some or all of the aforementioned. They are the ones who tried and failed, or were too lazy to ever try and succeed in the first place, so they want Uncle Sam (now Uncle Bam Bam) to take care of them. No truly successful and/or hard working American wants a larger intrusive government.

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So when people felt this way after W was elected, it was ok for them to express their disatifaction by making these same comments, but now.........

 

Gimme a break. Bush did not do anything to my Cival Rights.

 

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Patriot Act is a clear violation of civil rights.

 

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

Patriot Act is a clear violation of civil rights.

 

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

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IMO if you're not doing anything wrong - you have nothing to fear with the Patriot Act.

Unless you are no longer a part of this country, YES WE DID:ylsuper:

I am apart of this country. I am apart of the 58 million that didn't vote for the idiot now running it.

IMO if you're not doing anything wrong - you have nothing to fear with the Patriot Act.

 

Sounds like the same reasoning used during the Salem Witch Trials, Communist Witch Hunts, and Gestapo interrogators of old.

IMO if you're not doing anything wrong - you have nothing to fear with the Patriot Act.

 

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Sounds like the same reasoning used during the Salem Witch Trials, Communist Witch Hunts, and Gestapo interrogators of old.

 

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Hey why don't you ask those thousands that died on 9/11 if they have any problems with the govt. listening in on phone calls and emails that deal with bombs, plots, terror attacks, etc.... Oh wait, you can't!

 

My conversations and emails don't deal with any of these subjects. So they WON'T be invading my rights. If they are listening in on ILLEGALs, does that do something to their cival rights? They would be criminals and therefore not be entitled to any rights.

 

Less is More.

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Hey why don't you ask those thousands that died on 9/11 if they have any problems with the govt. listening in on phone calls and emails that deal with bombs, plots, terror attacks, etc.... Oh wait, you can't!

 

My conversations and emails don't deal with any of these subjects. So they WON'T be invading my rights. If they are listening in on ILLEGALs, does that do something to their cival rights? They would be criminals and therefore not be entitled to any rights.

 

Less is More.

To think that every conversation being tapped has to deal with national security is quite foolish IMO.

To think that every conversation being tapped has to deal with national security is quite foolish IMO.

 

I think it is foolish to believe that anyone has or is tapping my conversations. I have never given anyone a reason to do so. I don't believe that our military is sitting around saying,.... "Hey, did you get the tap up on the Smiff guy in Danville, KY? I hear he argued a call at the little league field monday night, could be a problem! Get on it!

 

Do you really believe that the Government has listened to your hone conversations? I really would like to know!

I think it is foolish to believe that anyone has or is tapping my conversations. I have never given anyone a reason to do so. I don't believe that our military is sitting around saying,.... "Hey, did you get the tap up on the Smiff guy in Danville, KY? I hear he argued a call at the little league field monday night, could be a problem! Get on it!

 

Do you really believe that the Government has listened to your hone conversations? I really would like to know!

 

Whether the government actually listened to my calls is irrelevant. The fact that the patriot act made it legal is an erosion of my civil liberties. The fact that they could acquire phone data without a warrant and no just cause is a violation of my and everyone else's civil rights.

 

I thought this whole thread was about big government anyway - to say that the Patriot act is not big government is foolish. Big government is okay for you in this case, but not okay if it is taking care of the poor? is that correct?

I think it is foolish to believe that anyone has or is tapping my conversations. I have never given anyone a reason to do so. I don't believe that our military is sitting around saying,.... "Hey, did you get the tap up on the Smiff guy in Danville, KY? I hear he argued a call at the little league field monday night, could be a problem! Get on it!

 

Do you really believe that the Government has listened to your hone conversations? I really would like to know!

I don't honestly know and neither does anyone else. I DO know that they have the ability to and that is a clear violation of my civil liberties.

First of all, I believe that our founding fathers gave us a fairly solid foundation. How much govt. regulation do you want? I do not need the government to tell someone that spent their money to open a business how they should run that business. If you want to eat at McDonalds but want them to offer more healthy food, then open your own restaraunt. Don't have the govt. tell them what kind of oil to use. I can't eat movie popcorn anymore because they were forced to make it healthier. Why, if it is not something that you want don't buy it.

 

If your kids are crying for a happy meal and you won't let them have it, blame yourself, not the restaraunt.

 

Laws and rules are important, legislating common sense is STUPID!

 

No comparrison to your example. When the govt gives me my car, then they can tell me to wear a seat belt.

 

Less is More!

If you want to site specific areas of regulation that need to be reformed or removed I could contribute a great deal to the list and we might agree with every single issue, but still completely disagree with you on the issue of less government. For every bad example of government regulation there are a heck of a lot of good one, they just don't hang around top of mind like the problem ones do.

I'm sure is we removed building codes from builders they would love it, but we would have structures falling down every five years. We could remove health regulations from McDonalds and you might be eating bad meat patties.

 

Again if specific areas of regulation bother you, we are in the same boat. If you don't believe that government should regulate, I simply believe your wrong and the removal of government regulation would result in the abuse of industries on the people, kind like the credit crises we just experienced.

Most of those desiring a larger more intrusive government, are (let's face it) losers, illegals, morons, lazy or a combination of some or all of the aforementioned. They are the ones who tried and failed, or were too lazy to ever try and succeed in the first place, so they want Uncle Sam (now Uncle Bam Bam) to take care of them. No truly successful and/or hard working American wants a larger intrusive government.

 

Dude, Seriously :confused:

I think it is foolish to believe that anyone has or is tapping my conversations. I have never given anyone a reason to do so. I don't believe that our military is sitting around saying,.... "Hey, did you get the tap up on the Smiff guy in Danville, KY? I hear he argued a call at the little league field monday night, could be a problem! Get on it!

 

Do you really believe that the Government has listened to your hone conversations? I really would like to know!

 

What about the guy in the military having intimate conversations with his wife that were taped and replayed for a laugh. Does that have anything to do with keeping us safer?

If you want to site specific areas of regulation that need to be reformed or removed I could contribute a great deal to the list and we might agree with every single issue, but still completely disagree with you on the issue of less government. For every bad example of government regulation there are a heck of a lot of good one, they just don't hang around top of mind like the problem ones do.

I'm sure is we removed building codes from builders they would love it, but we would have structures falling down every five years. We could remove health regulations from McDonalds and you might be eating bad meat patties.

 

Again if specific areas of regulation bother you, we are in the same boat. If you don't believe that government should regulate, I simply believe your wrong and the removal of government regulation would result in the abuse of industries on the people, kind like the credit crises we just experienced.

 

This had far, far, far, far, far more to do with individuals taking on more responsibility than they could handle. Yes, the lenders bear some responsibility too, but a gun was not held to the borrowers head to force them to agree to the terms of a loan. Instead of added regulation how about some personal responsibility.