Jesus quoted from my passage. Eye/Tooth

 

Jesus worked on the Sabbath, so he OKed for it to happen. Murder, he didn't change, just if you get you coat/shirt/pants stolen or your cheek slapped.

 

Jesus brought a new law, but some things in the Old Testament applies today.

 

We don't slaughter animals on the altar for forgiveness of sins.

 

This also applies to the thead topic.

 

Jesus HEALED someone on the Sabbath - not quite working to make a buck. And he made a point about the spirit of the law - working at Wal-Mart is not the same thing

 

Why do only somethings from the OT apply and not others, and who decides which ones apply and which ones don't?

To the Jews if you did anything it was work. Jesus healed/disciples got food.

 

Good question, on the OT. Ask your Father-In-Law. Start with the 10 big ones, and keep asking others who you trust. The OT is full of Laws that are not needed after Jesus came. Read Galations.

Do you not believe that there are any unjust laws?

Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, were all heads of their government and Hitler was put there throught the election process. Were the citizens of those countries to sit quietly by and follow the law?

 

1. Yes, but they are the laws. So I follow those laws until they are changed.

Example, Seatbelt law - I think it is stupid. But I follow it.

 

2. It depends, Everyone has a choice. There are certain steps individuals can tae part in to make change. The can be a part of the election process or they can decide to have a revolution.

Not to interrupt this biblical discussion, but I am in favor of what occured this evening. Justice appeared to be served.

Not to interrupt this biblical discussion, but I am in favor of what occured this evening. Justice appeared to be served.

 

You better watch it, we may decide to cast stones upon you next.:lol:

Serious question, NOT meant to be a judgement, but will the priest that told those that voted for Obama (based on his stance on abortion) that they should not receive communion tell all Kentucky residents (whose state actually executed someone, a stance that the Catholic Church is against) that they should not received communion?

 

Well, since the only one who could have acted, the governor, did not do so, I suppose that he shouldn't receive communion in a Catholic Church. Of course, I believe the governor is a Baptist so it isn't likely to be an issue. I'll leave any disciplinary action to our friends in the Baptist Church.

 

There is absolutely no relationship between the two. I would have given TBandG a little more credit than that. But, I guess I would be wrong. Anyone associating the rampant slaughter of innocent babies with the execution of a confessed, convicted murderer who received due process of law over and over again is not reasonable.

Not to interrupt this biblical discussion, but I am in favor of what occured this evening. Justice appeared to be served.

 

I'm not. As a Christian, from my understanding of the Bible and what Jesus taught under the new covenant, taking another life is never the correct response.

 

I'm not against someone being imprisoned for the rest of their life, but I never agree with killing them. That person, regardless of how horrific their crime, can still be forgiven through the blood of Christ. By killing them, we're ending their chances of finding forgiveness through Christ, and thus eternal life and salvation, at some point in the future.

 

However, I don't feel like I sinned because the state I live in chose to execute a man.

Well, since the only one who could have acted, the governor, did not do so, I suppose that he shouldn't receive communion in a Catholic Church. Of course, I believe the governor is a Baptist so it isn't likely to be an issue. I'll leave any disciplinary action to our friends in the Baptist Church.

 

There is absolutely no relationship between the two. I would have given TBandG a little more credit than that. But, I guess I would be wrong. Anyone associating the rampant slaughter of innocent babies with the execution of a confessed, convicted murderer who received due process of law over and over again is not reasonable.

 

Thanks for referring to me in the third person after quoting me. That's entertaining.

 

To the point - to the Catholic Church there is a HUGE relationship between the two. The Catholic Church (not my judgement) is against the death penalty, as it is a disdain for the reverance of life. If someone that votes for Obama cannot receive communion because Obama has in the past (and likely will in the future) promoted a pro-choice agenda, it seems only logical that Kentucky catholics would not be able to receive communion after an actual execution.

I'm not. As a Christian, from my understanding of the Bible and what Jesus taught under the new covenant, taking another life is never the correct response.

 

I'm not against someone being imprisoned for the rest of their life, but I never agree with killing them. That person, regardless of how horrific their crime, can still be forgiven through the blood of Christ. By killing them, we're ending their chances of finding forgiveness through Christ, and thus eternal life and salvation, at some point in the future.

However, I don't feel like I sinned because the state I live in chose to execute a man.

 

That's a point I haven't considered. Interesting.

I don't think a lot of people think of it that way. The few times I've actually been in this discussion with people and told them how I felt, several of them have responded in a similar way.

I'm not. As a Christian, from my understanding of the Bible and what Jesus taught under the new covenant, taking another life is never the correct response.

 

I'm not against someone being imprisoned for the rest of their life, but I never agree with killing them. That person, regardless of how horrific their crime, can still be forgiven through the blood of Christ. By killing them, we're ending their chances of finding forgiveness through Christ, and thus eternal life and salvation, at some point in the future.

 

However, I don't feel like I sinned because the state I live in chose to execute a man.

 

That's an interesting point of view.

 

The murderer still ended the lives of people who may not have had a chance to find Christ yet.

 

Why should we allow him the time to find Christ if he took that chance away for other innocent people ?

Thanks for referring to me in the third person after quoting me. That's entertaining.

 

To the point - to the Catholic Church there is a HUGE relationship between the two. The Catholic Church (not my judgement) is against the death penalty, as it is a disdain for the reverance of life. If someone that votes for Obama cannot receive communion because Obama has in the past (and likely will in the future) promoted a pro-choice agenda, it seems only logical that Kentucky catholics would not be able to receive communion after an actual execution.

 

I would rather educate TBandG than to entertain him/her. That would be my judgment (note spelling).

Edited November 24, 200817 yr by scooterbob

That's an interesting point of view.

 

The murderer still ended the lives of people who may not have had a chance to find Christ yet.

 

Why should we allow him the time to find Christ if he took that chance away for other innocent people ?

 

Because its not our place to execute judgement that belongs to God...

 

In reality, if we look at it that way, why should God allow us the time to find Christ? We're all sinners deserving death, yet God has made another way for us to be reconciled to Him through his grace and mercy. He does that regardless of what we've done or how bad we've been in the past.

 

Our goal should be to strive to have our actions mirror God's actions. With that in mind, taking another life based on their actions is not a picture of God. There is no grace and mercy in that. Only judgement that we aren't qualified to make.

Because its not our place to execute judgement that belongs to God...

 

In reality, if we look at it that way, why should God allow us the time to find Christ? We're all sinners deserving death, yet God has made another way for us to be reconciled to Him through his grace and mercy. He does that regardless of what we've done or how bad we've been in the past.

 

Our goal should be to strive to have our actions mirror God's actions. With that in mind, taking another life based on their actions is not a picture of God. There is no grace and mercy in that. Only judgement that we aren't qualified to make.

 

Didn't the killer execute judgment on the two young children ?

 

Would god have mercy on me if I were murdered and I had not been saved yet ?

By the way, I don't dispute anything you've said 5wide.

 

This is a situation that many have mixed opinions on. I understand you are a christian and I'm interested in your opinion on the matter :thumb: