38 in Kentucky on death Row. I'm not saying burn them all, but in this past case. he needed to go. We can exucute him 25 times and those babies will still be dead, this guy deserved this. we can't change your mind for the folks who disagree with us, but for me its scriptual and I've already gave the verse.

 

The ark of the covenant was being moved. Only certain priests were allowed to carry it. As it was being moved the Oxen stumbles and the ark began to fall. A man reaches out to steady it and touched it. God killed him on the spot. God had warned that no man shall touch it or they would be killed.

 

God warned also do not commit murder. "And if you kill a human you to shall die."

I respect your views but again disagree.

 

Then shouldn't God - not man - be doing the "you too shall die" killing?

Then shouldn't God - not man - be doing the "you too shall die" killing?

 

So should we not follow the law of the land? DO we only follow the laws in the Bible? The only problem is several people have not read he Bible and wouldn't know what laws to follow.

So should we not follow the law of the land? DO we only follow the laws in the Bible? The only problem is several people have not read he Bible and wouldn't know what laws to follow.

 

We follow the laws of this land, because last time I checked, we aren't living in a theocracy!

38 in Kentucky on death Row. I'm not saying burn them all, but in this past case. he needed to go. We can exucute him 25 times and those babies will still be dead, this guy deserved this. we can't change your mind for the folks who disagree with us, but for me its scriptual and I've already gave the verse.

 

The ark of the covenant was being moved. Only certain priests were allowed to carry it. As it was being moved the Oxen stumbles and the ark began to fall. A man reaches out to steady it and touched it. God killed him on the spot. God had warned that no man shall touch it or they would be killed.

 

God warned also do not commit murder. "And if you kill a human you to shall die."

 

I respect your views but again disagree.

 

With all due respect Larry, I view this in the same light as the "Just War" theology. All the support for these views are produced from the Old Testament...there's nothing in the New Testament that supports Just War or the Death Penalty.

 

I'm also very unclear as to how the story of Uzzah can be used to support the death penalty. Maybe I'm viewing it wrong, but I always viewed that as an example of what happens when a sinful human comes in contact with a pure and holy God...

 

And, seeing that you're a fellow Christian, I'll leave you with this question...

 

Before you were saved, what made you less deserving of death in the eyes of God than the man who was executed?

Your country sinned almost fifty million times since 1973. Where is your remorse for that?

 

I might have missed it but I am still waiting for a response to this very important point.

 

There are abortions counting over 3,000 a day and 50 million times since 1973. Where is the remorse and outrage for that.

 

It seems too many times that those outraged over the death penalty see abortion as an acceptable policy for this country.

 

I will grant that those who are pro-life and pro death penalty have a flimsy stance.

But there is NO STANCE whatsoever for someone anti-death penalty but prochoice.

With all due respect Larry, I view this in the same light as the "Just War" theology. All the support for these views are produced from the Old Testament...there's nothing in the New Testament that supports Just War or the Death Penalty.

 

I'm also very unclear as to how the story of Uzzah can be used to support the death penalty. Maybe I'm viewing it wrong, but I always viewed that as an example of what happens when a sinful human comes in contact with a pure and holy God...

 

And, seeing that you're a fellow Christian, I'll leave you with this question...

 

Before you were saved, what made you less deserving of death in the eyes of God than the man who was executed?

 

Except that Jesus was given a death penalty and he never spoke out against it.

 

On the last, neither. Except one made a choice to disobey the laws of the land and the forfeiture of their life WAS THEIR CHOICE by their actions.

Except that Jesus was given a death penalty and he never spoke out against it.

 

On the last, neither. Except one made a choice to disobey the laws of the land and the forfeiture of their life WAS THEIR CHOICE by their actions.

 

You mean like "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." This is how Jesus speaks against injustice toward him, through grace, mercy and compassion.

I might have missed it but I am still waiting for a response to this very important point.

 

There are abortions counting over 3,000 a day and 50 million times since 1973. Where is the remorse and outrage for that.

 

It seems too many times that those outraged over the death penalty see abortion as an acceptable policy for this country.

 

I will grant that those who are pro-life and pro death penalty have a flimsy stance.

But there is NO STANCE whatsoever for someone anti-death penalty but prochoice.

 

There are those inside and out of the medical field who obviously do not believe that abortion is murder. Pretty simple. However, the death penalty is pretty simply the taking of another life.

So should we not follow the law of the land? DO we only follow the laws in the Bible? The only problem is several people have not read he Bible and wouldn't know what laws to follow.

 

Should Rosa Parks have simply followed the law? Should those who had sit ins in Woolsworth, etc. have simply followed the law of the land? Should Harriet Tubman have simply followed the law of the land, Thurgood Marshall.

 

Slavery and Jim Crow and others did not go away because people all of a sudden became enlightened, they went away because good people stood up and said these laws are unjust (in Rosa Parks case she 'sat down') and the body politic was forced to see how immoral the laws were. And were it not for the TV cameras showing the water hoses being turned on the African Americans in Mississippi or Alabama the general public may never have realized how unjust and immoral the laws were.

There are those inside and out of the medical field who obviously do not believe that abortion is murder. Pretty simple. However, the death penalty is pretty simply the taking of another life.

There are plenty inside and oursite of the theological field that obviously do not believe the death penalty is wrong.

 

Can't both be wrong? Or does everyone's religion have to be pigeon-holed into their political leanings?

There are plenty inside and oursite of the theological field that obviously do not believe the death penalty is wrong.

 

Can't both be wrong? Or does everyone's religion have to be pigeon-holed into their political leanings?

 

i don't know about everyone else, but my political beliefs are formed through my faith. So if anything is bent or shaped or molded it is the political end of the spectrum. Both may faith and my politics have changed over my 41 years, and it has always been my faith that changed first - my politics followed.

Except that Jesus was given a death penalty and he never spoke out against it.

 

On the last, neither. Except one made a choice to disobey the laws of the land and the forfeiture of their life WAS THEIR CHOICE by their actions.

 

So, just to clarify...would you say that the fact that Jesus was given a death penalty and didn't speak out against it justifies the practice of executing people?

 

As for the last, the law of the land is irrelevant. The question asked what makes Larry, or me, or you, any less deserving of death than the man who was executed in God's eyes? But, just to clarify, when I say in God's eyes, I mean according to His law, judgements, teachings, etc. that are in the Bible.

 

Just because something is a law, and thus we are required to live by it, doesn't mean it is the "right" thing.

True Blue/5Wide I care for you too as much as I care for anybody on this site.

 

And I love my wife. She and I differ on Bible/Life issues, so if we also differ that is Ok with me. You ought to be in a Bible Class at church with me.

 

5Wide I was too young when I became a follower of Jesus and the death penalty wasn't discussed in my inner circles. Notice I said about the 38 folks in Kentucky. Each case needs to be looked and is differnet.

 

This last case....no one can change my thought process on it. And I respect everyone else.

 

I wished Jesus had addressed it futher and I'll do some research. He spoke about getting hit on the cheek and getting robbed of your clothes. He also loved little children as we all do.

True Blue/5Wide I care for you too as much as I care for anybody on this site.

 

And I love my wife. She and I differ on Bible/Life issues, so if we also differ that is Ok with me. You ought to be in a Bible Class at church with me.

 

5Wide I was too young when I became a follower of Jesus and the death penalty wasn't discussed in my inner circles. Notice I said about the 38 folks in Kentucky. Each case needs to be looked and is differnet.

 

This last case....no one can change my thought process on it. And I respect everyone else.

 

I wished Jesus had addressed it futher and I'll do some research. He spoke about getting hit on the cheek and getting robbed of your clothes. He also loved little children as we all do.

 

It is okay to differ on opinions and I certainly respect yours. I ask questions because very few of my opinions are set in stone and appreciate discussion that leads to either support of my opinion or discussion that leads me in other directions.

So, just to clarify...would you say that the fact that Jesus was given a death penalty and didn't speak out against it justifies the practice of executing people?

 

As for the last, the law of the land is irrelevant. The question asked what makes Larry, or me, or you, any less deserving of death than the man who was executed in God's eyes? But, just to clarify, when I say in God's eyes, I mean according to His law, judgements, teachings, etc. that are in the Bible.

 

Just because something is a law, and thus we are required to live by it, doesn't mean it is the "right" thing.

 

I think it is interesting that he did not on his own or the 2 thieves that was with him. Even one thief he gave eternal salvation to but did not let him out of his worldly death sentence.

 

I think Jesus sees that this time on Earth is just a pittance to his real concern of our possible eternal death penalty of Hell.