He may be part of the problem but he doesn't make out the starting lineup before the games.

 

What do you guys expect him to do ? Refuse to play ?

 

He could not make stupid decisions.

For someone who could have gone to USC to play football, he sure isn't athletic.

He could not make stupid decisions.

For someone who could have gone to USC to play football, he sure isn't athletic.

 

That could be said about everyone involved with UK basketball last night except maybe the trainers.

 

No, he's not the most athletic player we have. He's not the best passer, he doesn't have the best shot and he's not our best defensive player. None of that matters because it's not his decision as to whether or not he plays and how much he plays.

 

Coach G. started and played him last night. Micheal Porter had no say in starting or the amount of time he would be in the game. I'm sure he tried his hardest while he was out there. That's all I ask.

 

If Porter playing his hardest isn't good enough, then I ask of our coach not to play him, that's his job.

 

Saying Porter is the problem at UK is ridiculous.

That could be said about everyone involved with UK basketball last night except maybe the trainers.

 

No, he's not the most athletic player we have. He's not the best passer, he doesn't have the best shot and he's not our best defensive player. None of that matters because it's not his decision as to whether or not he plays and how much he plays.

 

Coach G. started and played him last night. Micheal Porter had no say in starting or the amount of time he would be in the game. I'm sure he tried his hardest while he was out there. That's all I ask.

 

If Porter playing his hardest isn't good enough, then I ask of our coach not to play him, that's his job.

 

Saying Porter is the problem at UK is ridiculous.

 

I'm sure he tried hard and that is all you can ask. I never said Porter is the problem. Either way he shouldn't be playing. But as of right now he is the starting point guard at the University of Kentucky. That is a problem. Porter can't control it, but in reality they do not have anyone right now able to play the point without turnovers. Until that happens they will struggle.

It was one game.

 

By the way...I bet before this thread is done someone will find a way to blame Tubby for this loss. :lol::lol::lol:

On here and other boards people have lamented the fact that Patterson didn't get man touches.

I scratch my head at that.

UK scored over 100 points. Nothing wrong with the offense other than throwing the ball to the other team to the tune of 25 times. There is the offensive problem. They were tentative against their press at times, which allowed them to apply more ball pressure.

Riddle me this. Which scoring opportunity would you prefer, a 2 on 1 fastbreak or attacking a zone defense? Thank you for answering...anyways when they were not scoring in transition, they were attcking the basket.

The worst thing you can do against a team and style of VMI is turn it over and UK did at an alarming rate. You simply can not give a team 25 extra possession when they thrive on getting as many as they can, that is gasoline to a fire. You cut the turnovers in half and you score over 120 last night. Turnovers on offense was the problem, nothing more nothing less. That goes to the point guard spot, in many cases. UK will not win if they run Porter out there. Simple as that. Liggins will have to reign in his penchant for flash, but I liked many things I saw from him. Willingness to attack basket, drives with head up looking for avenues to pass. He gets out of control at times, but will improve.

Defensively, they played terrible, from ball pressure to physicality on drives to slow rotations to poor decisions when to help to transition defense...you name it major breakdowns in all areas...all are correctable.

When it came to crunch time UK made a few key turnovers and failed to convert a couple of close shots...VMI took advantage.

Should never have happened, but it did. Take the ridicule and embarrassment and move on.

BCG is not without fault. He could have made some changes matchup wise, he should have subbed Miller for Stevenson down the stretch, he prolly stayed with Porter too long...but so be it.

 

I have a good friend who has had the luxury of being able to observe some practices the last two years, and this leads into a small theory I have about BCG and his methods, particularly to the early part of the year.

Much of the first month plus BCG is basically building their toughness, tearing them down mentally and then building them back up. Those that buy-in will reap the rewards, ala Bradley and Crawford. Those that don't go running off, see Alex Legion.

I wonder how much of the preseason work goes into game prep at this stage, of where they are in practice?

They seemed unprepared last night to an extent.

As the season starts rolling then you start to see things come into a little more clearer focus. Toughness, scrap, determination, fighting back just being mentally tough. I think last year you saw a progression of that. Unfortunately, injuries set us back.

My buddy has seen Bob Huggins rip butt for three hours, but he does a lot of teaching as well. He has seen Pitino at UK and now at UL. He said nothing compares to the sheer toughness of UK's practices. He said that is the reason why he carries so many walk-ons because 13 players wouldn't make it.

People were lamenting the saying "Get out!" when he would remove people from drills. People thought that was great.

At this stage it is get out and go run. A few weeks from now it becomes a point of instruction, rather than get out.

Maybe November has become an extension of boot camp and getting their minds straight.

So maybe with this philosophy, these early losses are not totally unexpected and as talent/experience improves we win these early ones regardless.

Last night we should have won, but not the entire point.

Side item...He said in these practices, it is clear why Porter struggles...he struggles in practice, but he knows where he should be.

Liggins is hesitant at this stage and will be ok.

Galloway has not a clue what he should be doing...hence he does not play.

All of this grunt work has ramifications for down the road.

Is it a good philosophy...is it the right way...I don't know, but he has turned some programs around quickly. Is this philosophy costing us games? Looking back it seems to...but we still have a long way to go.

Now do I subscribe to this, not necessarily, but who am I other than a Keyboard Coach.

I would be curious to know if Bill Self does the same?

As of now, it is all about shaping the mentality of the player...for toughness. Then it expands...we will just have to watch it play out.

On here and other boards people have lamented the fact that Patterson didn't get man touches.

I scratch my head at that.

UK scored over 100 points. Nothing wrong with the offense other than throwing the ball to the other team to the tune of 25 times. There is the offensive problem. They were tentative against their press at times, which allowed them to apply more ball pressure.

Riddle me this. Which scoring opportunity would you prefer, a 2 on 1 fastbreak or attacking a zone defense? Thank you for answering...anyways when they were not scoring in transition, they were attcking the basket.

The worst thing you can do against a team and style of VMI is turn it over and UK did at an alarming rate. You simply can not give a team 25 extra possession when they thrive on getting as many as they can, that is gasoline to a fire. You cut the turnovers in half and you score over 120 last night. Turnovers on offense was the problem, nothing more nothing less. That goes to the point guard spot, in many cases. UK will not win if they run Porter out there. Simple as that. Liggins will have to reign in his penchant for flash, but I liked many things I saw from him. Willingness to attack basket, drives with head up looking for avenues to pass. He gets out of control at times, but will improve.

Defensively, they played terrible, from ball pressure to physicality on drives to slow rotations to poor decisions when to help to transition defense...you name it major breakdowns in all areas...all are correctable.

When it came to crunch time UK made a few key turnovers and failed to convert a couple of close shots...VMI took advantage.

Should never have happened, but it did. Take the ridicule and embarrassment and move on.

BCG is not without fault. He could have made some changes matchup wise, he should have subbed Miller for Stevenson down the stretch, he prolly stayed with Porter too long...but so be it.

 

I have a good friend who has had the luxury of being able to observe some practices the last two years, and this leads into a small theory I have about BCG and his methods, particularly to the early part of the year.

Much of the first month plus BCG is basically building their toughness, tearing them down mentally and then building them back up. Those that buy-in will reap the rewards, ala Bradley and Crawford. Those that don't go running off, see Alex Legion.

I wonder how much of the preseason work goes into game prep at this stage, of where they are in practice?

They seemed unprepared last night to an extent.

As the season starts rolling then you start to see things come into a little more clearer focus. Toughness, scrap, determination, fighting back just being mentally tough. I think last year you saw a progression of that. Unfortunately, injuries set us back.

My buddy has seen Bob Huggins rip butt for three hours, but he does a lot of teaching as well. He has seen Pitino at UK and now at UL. He said nothing compares to the sheer toughness of UK's practices. He said that is the reason why he carries so many walk-ons because 13 players wouldn't make it.

People were lamenting the saying "Get out!" when he would remove people from drills. People thought that was great.

At this stage it is get out and go run. A few weeks from now it becomes a point of instruction, rather than get out.

Maybe November has become an extension of boot camp and getting their minds straight.

So maybe with this philosophy, these early losses are not totally unexpected and as talent/experience improves we win these early ones regardless.

Last night we should have won, but not the entire point.

Side item...He said in these practices, it is clear why Porter struggles...he struggles in practice, but he knows where he should be.

Liggins is hesitant at this stage and will be ok.

Galloway has not a clue what he should be doing...hence he does not play.

All of this grunt work has ramifications for down the road.

Is it a good philosophy...is it the right way...I don't know, but he has turned some programs around quickly. Is this philosophy costing us games? Looking back it seems to...but we still have a long way to go.

Now do I subscribe to this, not necessarily, but who am I other than a Keyboard Coach.

I would be curious to know if Bill Self does the same?

As of now, it is all about shaping the mentality of the player...for toughness. Then it expands...we will just have to watch it play out.

 

:thumb:

Nothing is wrong with Kentucky. Give them a few more games before you people start throwing them in the fireplace. With an exception of Louisville fans... Basketball is all they have this season so they can go ahead and rant. :lol:

The excuse of 14 three's is bad...:lol: Where did the other 70 points come from??

 

 

How is the 14 three pointers excuse bad? They can have 70 points! But in the end, the 14 three's were the daggers that killed the Cats.

It seems like Gillispie is a stubborn coach. What I mean by this is he doesn't seem to make appropriate, if any at all, in-game adjustments. He got caught up in the speed of the game, and I bet the names Krebs, Slone, Galloway, or Stewart never even crossed his mind. He isn't a very experienced coach, and it showed last night.

The adjustment they should've made was to a matchup zone or tight man-to-man with no helping off of shooters.

 

I agree and disagree. They DID play man-to-man with no help but that is when VMI isolated Stevenson and Patterson and shot over them or just dribbled right around them (Stevenson was clearly a target). The zone defense I would agree with because they could not match up with them.

VMI severely out-coach, out-prepared, and out-played UK and hopefully they'll learn from it. Other than strategy, I'd say the point guard play is the only glaring problem.

How is the 14 three pointers excuse bad? They can have 70 points! But in the end, the 14 three's were the daggers that killed the Cats.

 

Well maybe UK shouldn't have sucked on D and VMI wouldn't have made all those threes....

How is the 14 three pointers excuse bad? They can have 70 points! But in the end, the 14 three's were the daggers that killed the Cats.

NKU had 12 against UofL and scored 69 points. The 3's are not what killed UK.

Well maybe UK shouldn't have sucked on D and VMI wouldn't have made all those threes....

 

Exactly. They shouldn't of "sucked" on D. If they would've been better on D, then VMI might would not have scored the 14 threes, and then UK might have won. Good to see that you agree with me.

 

 

 

And kudos to Louisville for hanging on for the win against NKU.

On here and other boards people have lamented the fact that Patterson didn't get man touches.

I scratch my head at that.

UK scored over 100 points. Nothing wrong with the offense other than throwing the ball to the other team to the tune of 25 times. There is the offensive problem. They were tentative against their press at times, which allowed them to apply more ball pressure.

Riddle me this. Which scoring opportunity would you prefer, a 2 on 1 fastbreak or attacking a zone defense? Thank you for answering...anyways when they were not scoring in transition, they were attcking the basket.

The worst thing you can do against a team and style of VMI is turn it over and UK did at an alarming rate. You simply can not give a team 25 extra possession when they thrive on getting as many as they can, that is gasoline to a fire. You cut the turnovers in half and you score over 120 last night. Turnovers on offense was the problem, nothing more nothing less. That goes to the point guard spot, in many cases. UK will not win if they run Porter out there. Simple as that. Liggins will have to reign in his penchant for flash, but I liked many things I saw from him. Willingness to attack basket, drives with head up looking for avenues to pass. He gets out of control at times, but will improve.

Defensively, they played terrible, from ball pressure to physicality on drives to slow rotations to poor decisions when to help to transition defense...you name it major breakdowns in all areas...all are correctable.

When it came to crunch time UK made a few key turnovers and failed to convert a couple of close shots...VMI took advantage.

Should never have happened, but it did. Take the ridicule and embarrassment and move on.

BCG is not without fault. He could have made some changes matchup wise, he should have subbed Miller for Stevenson down the stretch, he prolly stayed with Porter too long...but so be it.

 

I have a good friend who has had the luxury of being able to observe some practices the last two years, and this leads into a small theory I have about BCG and his methods, particularly to the early part of the year.

Much of the first month plus BCG is basically building their toughness, tearing them down mentally and then building them back up. Those that buy-in will reap the rewards, ala Bradley and Crawford. Those that don't go running off, see Alex Legion.

I wonder how much of the preseason work goes into game prep at this stage, of where they are in practice?

They seemed unprepared last night to an extent.

As the season starts rolling then you start to see things come into a little more clearer focus. Toughness, scrap, determination, fighting back just being mentally tough. I think last year you saw a progression of that. Unfortunately, injuries set us back.

My buddy has seen Bob Huggins rip butt for three hours, but he does a lot of teaching as well. He has seen Pitino at UK and now at UL. He said nothing compares to the sheer toughness of UK's practices. He said that is the reason why he carries so many walk-ons because 13 players wouldn't make it.

People were lamenting the saying "Get out!" when he would remove people from drills. People thought that was great.

At this stage it is get out and go run. A few weeks from now it becomes a point of instruction, rather than get out.

Maybe November has become an extension of boot camp and getting their minds straight.

So maybe with this philosophy, these early losses are not totally unexpected and as talent/experience improves we win these early ones regardless.

Last night we should have won, but not the entire point.

Side item...He said in these practices, it is clear why Porter struggles...he struggles in practice, but he knows where he should be.

Liggins is hesitant at this stage and will be ok.

Galloway has not a clue what he should be doing...hence he does not play.

All of this grunt work has ramifications for down the road.

Is it a good philosophy...is it the right way...I don't know, but he has turned some programs around quickly. Is this philosophy costing us games? Looking back it seems to...but we still have a long way to go.

Now do I subscribe to this, not necessarily, but who am I other than a Keyboard Coach.

I would be curious to know if Bill Self does the same?

As of now, it is all about shaping the mentality of the player...for toughness. Then it expands...we will just have to watch it play out.

 

WOW!!! What a great breakdown. I agree 100% with everything you said. Do you have any idea what's going on with Stewart?

And kudos to Louisville for hanging on for the win against NKU.

 

I highlighted the key word in this sentence...