Because you choose not to understand. It is not really hard to see the difference.

 

What difference? The difference that it's ok for black people to vote for a black man, but it's not ok to see white people voting for a white man? It IS a double standard, whether folks like it or not. THATS not hard to understand. It is most def. a race issue! If Obama were white, do you honestly think the Black Panthers would've been "taunting" in Philly? Do you think you'd see 50 million black people on the news chanting "Change!" "We love Obama"? Folks, get serious now!

 

:eek:

 

And for the record it does not bother me he's black. Throw Will Smith up there and i'll vote for him all day long! I just can't stand Barack Obama!

As a college professor, I am very well acquainted with those of my colleagues who teach such classes. They are biased which is fine as long as their students know to consider this fact and to take what is said as fact with a grain (or two) of salt.

 

I learned my freshman year of college that there are certain professors where it is okay to state your opposing opinion and it would make for a great discussion, and there are others were you just enjoy the Soduku game you have under your notebook, lol.

HB20...you are making a very good arguement against what I originally thought.

 

What do you all think about what my professor said..."all prejudice is not equal. An African American who hates whites cannot be 'just as prejudice' as a white person that hates blacks."

 

That is postmodernist garbage at its finest, and don't believe it for one second.

That is postmodernist garbage at its finest, and don't believe it for one second.

 

To suggest that one race holds animosity towards another because of the historical mistreatment perpetrated on them is the same as one race feeling it is superior based on pigmentation and thus treating the other as chattle is garbage as well.

To suggest that one race holds animosity towards another because of the historical mistreatment perpetrated on them is the same as one race feeling it is superior based on pigmentation and thus treating the other as chattle is garbage as well.

 

You can contextualize all you want to, ace. I'm not going to engage you. But all you are doing is self-defining your own worldview, that's post-modernism and its garbage.

You can contextualize all you want to, ace. I'm not going to engage you. But all you are doing is self-defining your own worldview, that's post-modernism and its garbage.

 

I am not defining my world view and certainly not condoning either vision. I think both are wrong. But the anger/hate/racism are coming from different places and to get past all the anger/hate/racism we have to understand where everyone is coming from. If we just say that they are both the same and both bad then we have not moved forward at all. If we say they are both bad and we need to reconcile, the only way to reconcile is to understand where the hate comes from. Nothing post modern about it.

 

FWIW most things are too abstract to have any real meaning with some context.

Halfback, I think you are wrong.

 

I don't believe anyone said - "I cannot vote for McCain because he is a white man." If so, most of the 98% would be first time voters since ALL of the other elections they would have had to vote for a white man.

 

I do think there are those who said "I WILL vote for Obama b/c he is black" that is different than voting against someone b/c of their color.

 

There are also some, hopefully few who said "I cannot vote for Obama because he is black"

 

1 and 3 are racist statements, #2 means race was a factor. #2 folks did not discount McCain b/c of his race, but they lean toward Obama b/c of his.

 

I do not recall saying that anyone said, "I cannot vote for McCain because he is a white man".

 

I agreed that there are people who voted for Obama because he is black.

 

I agreed that there are some who said they cannot vote for Obama because he is black.

 

Where am I wrong?

Based on the reactions that I have seen on television over and over and over, race was a major reason why Obama was elected. Most of the responses I have heard was that they voted for him because he was black and would be the first black President, something they did not think they would see in their lifetime.

 

Why are those that are supporting him because of his race not being labeled racists?

 

Is it okay to positively support someone for simply their race while it is not okay negatively?

 

This is what my mom and I were just talking about, how unreal she thought it was that so many people that voted for Obama thought that they'd never see a black president in their lifetime. I was kinda shocked. I always thought I'd have one in my life time, maybe all these people don't think we'll be here much longer, I dunno. I just never really imagined that someone would really have that belief that it would never happen any time soon.

I do not recall saying that anyone said, "I cannot vote for McCain because he is a white man".

 

I agreed that there are people who voted for Obama because he is black.

 

I agreed that there are some who said they cannot vote for Obama because he is black.

 

Where am I wrong?

 

Your quote was that you had heard people say that they couldn't vote for Obama b/c he was black and a couple of sentences later you say it happens both ways. It was a minor technicality, I think you and I both agree after I read more of your posts in this thread.

What some people forget is Obama is not Black...He is Biracial...He is a true African American...His Father from Kenya,His Mother from Wichita,Kansas...

 

You can't get much more African American than that...Biracial President elect Obama was raised by his Maternal Grandparents from age 10...Who are of Caucasian race...

 

So people who voted for Obama because they thought He was a black Man...Wrong...

 

So people who did not vote for Obama because they thought He was a black Man...Wrong...

 

My Prediction for Obama concerning race is...

 

When He does something Positive that Most white people agree with but some Black People do not...Get ready for President Uncle Tom...

 

 

When He does something Positive that most black people agree with but some white people do not...Get ready for President/Racial slurs...

 

 

I will call Obama Biracial I will call him American whose father is from Kenya...

But I will not call him Black...I don't care if it is on his Birth Certificate...:thumb:

 

He is not the first Black President of the United States...He is the first Biracial President of the United States...

It's like I told my cousin 4 years ago. I don't care if an alien from the planet Gorkon came down to Earth and ran against a Republican, he was getting my vote.

It's like I told my cousin 4 years ago. I don't care if an alien from the planet Gorkon came down to Earth and ran against a Republican, he was getting my vote.

 

But would you Vote for a Republican from HOOT!!!?:confused:

Because you choose not to understand. It is not really hard to see the difference.

 

No I understand it, it's just flat out wrong. They are both racism, any intelligent person would realize that.

No I understand it, it's just flat out wrong. They are both racism, any intelligent person would realize that.

 

But they are not equal. And I think that was the original statement.

This is what my mom and I were just talking about, how unreal she thought it was that so many people that voted for Obama thought that they'd never see a black president in their lifetime. I was kinda shocked. I always thought I'd have one in my life time, maybe all these people don't think we'll be here much longer, I dunno. I just never really imagined that someone would really have that belief that it would never happen any time soon.

 

Then that says a lot for how far our society has come and your life experienced.

 

But for older persons and historians it is viewed as a milestone.

 

At my last church I was friends with the pastor of an African-American church. He was a friendly guy with everyone. At one event where our churches were combined the pastor leaned over and hugged our 86 year old matriarch "Miss Julia." (She was white) An older lady in his church later took him aside and meaning well said, "You've got to watch yourself huggin' those people. They hung my Uncle for doing just that."

 

Now what happened was this lady's history revealed to her that the barrier between white and black was broad and deep. So my guess is she too never dreamed of seeing this election happen.

 

We are only 40 years removed from the Assassination of MLK. We are only 44 years removed from the Civil Rights Act. We are only some 60 or so years removed from integrating the military. We are less than 100 years removed from the racist spectacle known at Birth of a Nation which was lauded by the sitting president Woodrow Wilson as a correct and historical presentation of repression of Whites in the South during Reconstruction.

 

Those years sound like a long time but I buried a 99 year old man (one month shy of 100) last month in our church. To the end his mind was pretty sharp. He saw everything I just mentioned and more in his lifespan.