Now, if you're done fear mongering, here are a few thousand other folks who endorse Obama, including over 80 Nobel winners, businessmen, former presidents, vice presidents, 30 labor unions, Indian reservations, 16 foreign leaders, 30 major publications and, for what it's worth, a bunch of rappers. :lol:

 

It is not fear-mongering to be concerned that our President is supported by terrorist groups.

Is that why unemployment rates are at all time highs right now?

 

You want to check the rates out now vs. say the great depression and re-think that statement.

What's wrong. Are you jealous of those who work hard, use their brains to make this money. The only reason for your stealing money through taxation is envy and hatred for people who earn. You feel as if your owed something, rather than trying to elevate yourself, you wish to tear down others.

I do not earn 250,000 either, but because of not indexing for inflation, my wife and I come close to the minimim tax and we are teachers.

More power to people to work hard and earn.

 

As a teacher, you should certainly know and understand that there are MANY people who "work hard and use their brains" that do not make 250K. The wording of your post elevates that group's work ethic and intelligence above those that don't, which is certainly NOT true.

IMHO, Roe vs Wade began the devaluing of human life, plain and simple. AS a society, we have gone downhill ever since. I don't believe it was the only thing, but if you look at the timeline of human events in our country, it sure didn't get any better.

 

However, I don't believe that either candidate will make choices in the supreme court that will overturn that ruling. BUT, Obama's support for the federal Freedom of Choice act scares me to death. It would make nearly all abortions, at any time, legal with no state say in the matter and in some cases, a small percentage of abortions could be funded by tax payers dollars.

 

However, I much like you, don't see where universal health care has anything to do with that issue.

 

As Hatz said, slavery didn't do that?

Now, if you're done fear mongering, here are a few thousand other folks who endorse Obama, including over 80 Nobel winners, businessmen, former presidents, vice presidents, 30 labor unions, Indian reservations, 16 foreign leaders, 30 major publications and, for what it's worth, a bunch of rappers. :lol:

 

Hearsay beat me to it, but I'd really like to know from you, "How is stating the truth, and nothing but the truth, with no editorializing whatsoever, fear mongering?" I simply listed some of the individuals and groups expressing support for BHO. Most of them are listed on the link you provided.

 

Does filling out the list with 80 Nobel Prize winners (some of whom have very divergent ideas on America's role in the world, and not all of them good or smart) somehow mitigate the tacit endorsements of terrorists, communists and political extremists both home and abroad?

 

How do the endorsements of Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, John Kerry, Michael Dukakis, George McGovern, Walter Mondale and dozens of the expected liberal senators and representatives strengthen your point and not mine?

 

How do the endorsements of liberal, socialist and communist foreign leaders strengthen your case? Since when has it been advisable for America to appease and curry favor among those who cannot possibly have our best interests at heart?

 

How does the endorsement of 30 major “liberal” publications including The Rolling Stone, The Boston Globe, The Washington Post, etc. strengthen your argument and not mine?

 

I actually listened to Ludacris for about 45 minutes a couple of weeks ago, just to try to comprehend his contribution to the world of art and music. I was disgusted as each song outdid the previous in vulgarity and base emotions with language that would earn a lifetime ban on BGP. The underlying theme seemed to be, “Get out my face coz I’m better than you, I’m richer than you, I have more cars than you, a bigger house than you, a more impressive anatomy causing females to lust after me both solo and in groups, yada, yada, yada.” If this is the true character of the “bunch of rappers” supporting Obama, not only can he have them, I genuinely don’t see how it benefits his campaign outside of a small percentage of truly confused Mac Daddy wannabes.

 

Perhaps (in another thread) you can explain the socially redeeming character of Ludacris’ lyrics being missed by an old man? I’m not being a smart aleck, I genuinely would like to know.

Hearsay beat me to it, but I'd really like to know from you, "How is stating the truth, and nothing but the truth, with no editorializing whatsoever, fear mongering?" I simply listed some of the individuals and groups expressing support for BHO. Most of them are listed on the link you provided.

 

Perhaps (in another thread) you can explain the socially redeeming character of Ludacris’ lyrics being missed by an old man? I’m not being a smart aleck, I genuinely would like to know.

 

You represented fact, and I have no problem with that. But your list of Obama endorsements is no different than folks who constantly use his middle name. What you're saying to people is, "Look at all these terrorist groups that supported Obama! He must be colluding with them to bring terror to America!" Why didn't your list include any endorsements that Obama would presumably seek out?

 

I love how you casually dismiss the Nobel prize winners, as if they really have nothing positive to contribute to society. :lol:

 

And it's fairly easy to dismiss all the publications with a blanket statement calling them "liberal". But look a little closer and you'll see that not all are, and papers like the LA Times haven't endorsed a candidate since 1972.

 

As for Ludacris, I really have nothing to say. You're right. His endorsement really is meaningless. I just like his music.

 

I think your best argument would be to say that endorsing Obama has become the "hip" thing to do.

Hearsay beat me to it, but I'd really like to know from you, "How is stating the truth, and nothing but the truth, with no editorializing whatsoever, fear mongering?" I simply listed some of the individuals and groups expressing support for BHO. Most of them are listed on the link you provided.

 

Does filling out the list with 80 Nobel Prize winners (some of whom have very divergent ideas on America's role in the world, and not all of them good or smart) somehow mitigate the tacit endorsements of terrorists, communists and political extremists both home and abroad?

 

How do the endorsements of Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, John Kerry, Michael Dukakis, George McGovern, Walter Mondale and dozens of the expected liberal senators and representatives strengthen your point and not mine?

 

How do the endorsements of liberal, socialist and communist foreign leaders strengthen your case? Since when has it been advisable for America to appease and curry favor among those who cannot possibly have our best interests at heart?

 

How does the endorsement of 30 major “liberal” publications including The Rolling Stone, The Boston Globe, The Washington Post, etc. strengthen your argument and not mine?

 

I actually listened to Ludacris for about 45 minutes a couple of weeks ago, just to try to comprehend his contribution to the world of art and music. I was disgusted as each song outdid the previous in vulgarity and base emotions with language that would earn a lifetime ban on BGP. The underlying theme seemed to be, “Get out my face coz I’m better than you, I’m richer than you, I have more cars than you, a bigger house than you, a more impressive anatomy causing females to lust after me both solo and in groups, yada, yada, yada.” If this is the true character of the “bunch of rappers” supporting Obama, not only can he have them, I genuinely don’t see how it benefits his campaign outside of a small percentage of truly confused Mac Daddy wannabes.

 

Perhaps (in another thread) you can explain the socially redeeming character of Ludacris’ lyrics being missed by an old man? I’m not being a smart aleck, I genuinely would like to know.

 

 

You state your thoughts eloquently. Many I agree with. However, there's a certain tone that disturbs me, and that is the tone that you categorically dismiss the entire list because there are some with whom/which you seem to disdain.

 

I'll be honest, I am voting for Obama, in part because of the perception that I have of McCain and his supporters is that they think less of the "America" that I live in, than they do the "America" that those who benefit from the current policies live in.

 

I'm not very far removed at all from one of those people that many of you constantly eschew....I used to get refunds of all taxes paid. The perception that I've gleaned from reading several years of posts is that I didn't work, that I didn't try, that I didn't contribute to society...that I was a leach.

 

I'm in no way, shape or form a $250K earner. Heck, I don't even make 1/5 of that, and most likely never will. I don't mind that. One benefit to having "been there" is that I realize that life goes on whether I make $5,000 a year, or $50K a year, or $500K a year. But, I was able to capitalize on some unique (and risky on my part) opportunities that came to me. I don't blame many I know in situations similar to those that I went through for not taking those risks. It's scary, and it could mean the whole house of cards tumbling down. I somehow fell into an industry in which careers can be made by working the way up the ladder without a degree. But I doubt I could make some of the same upward moves without a degree in my industry today.

 

I perceive from "conservatives" that the person who makes $250K+ per year is a more important part of the American society that I am. As someone who doesn't even have the desire to make that much, I guess I'm a slacker. But, shockingly, that isn't my perception of the American Dream. I didn't know that realizing the American Dream, being a "contributing" American had a price tag. I thought I lived in a country where value wasn't tagged with a price. Yet, I'm finding that apparently, it's more important to protect the wealth of those who have it already, than to give a break to those who don't earn enough to be perceived "worthy" of a break.

 

I know. I'm idealistic. But guess what? I'm also pragmatic. Heck...I believe in private education. I cling to my religion. I feel serious reforms are needed in entitlement agencies. How can it be that I can not fall hook, line and sinker into the "conservative" pool? It's really simple.

 

I believe that Obama's policies can benefit the majority of Americans.... I think McCain's policies will benefit only those who benefit currently. On this course, I see America continue to dissolve from a classless society, to a society similar to the Victorian Era. There are those with the wealth, the merchants, the servants and the poor. I don't want that for America. I want to see the America where those in the "middle" and the "bottom" are as valued as those at the top.

 

McCain's policies don't "scare" me. It will be similar to the 'status quo'. How can I be "scared"? I personally have nothing to lose either way. With McCain, I'll be certain to pay more taxes. With Obama, I might pay more taxes. But it's not just about me...it's about millions of "me's", past and present. And they far out number the number of people at the top of the gold pile.

Now, if you're done fear mongering, here are a few thousand other folks who endorse Obama, including over 80 Nobel winners, businessmen, former presidents, vice presidents, 30 labor unions, Indian reservations, 16 foreign leaders, 30 major publications and, for what it's worth, a bunch of rappers. :lol:

 

In the interest of being fair and balanced, here is a list of McCain supporters, including over 2 newspapers, 1 organization, 7 mayors and Don King.

Funny how you worded these two posts.

I don't make over 250k a year, so I won't be impacted. It's time to close the giant gap between the upper and middle class. People forget it's the middle class that drives this country. The runaway greed from the upper class ala wall street has lead us to this recession.

Serious question, are you communist?

You state your thoughts eloquently. Many I agree with. However, there's a certain tone that disturbs me, and that is the tone that you categorically dismiss the entire list because there are some with whom/which you seem to disdain.

 

 

Fine work getting the thread back on track.

Funny how you worded these two posts.

 

Only because I didn't have a laundry list of terrorist organizations to include.

You state your thoughts eloquently. Many I agree with. However, there's a certain tone that disturbs me, and that is the tone that you categorically dismiss the entire list because there are some with whom/which you seem to disdain.

 

I'll be honest, I am voting for Obama, in part because of the perception that I have of McCain and his supporters is that they think less of the "America" that I live in, than they do the "America" that those who benefit from the current policies live in.

 

I'm not very far removed at all from one of those people that many of you constantly eschew....I used to get refunds of all taxes paid. The perception that I've gleaned from reading several years of posts is that I didn't work, that I didn't try, that I didn't contribute to society...that I was a leach.

 

I'm in no way, shape or form a $250K earner. Heck, I don't even make 1/5 of that, and most likely never will. I don't mind that. One benefit to having "been there" is that I realize that life goes on whether I make $5,000 a year, or $50K a year, or $500K a year. But, I was able to capitalize on some unique (and risky on my part) opportunities that came to me. I don't blame many I know in situations similar to those that I went through for not taking those risks. It's scary, and it could mean the whole house of cards tumbling down. I somehow fell into an industry in which careers can be made by working the way up the ladder without a degree. But I doubt I could make some of the same upward moves without a degree in my industry today.

 

I perceive from "conservatives" that the person who makes $250K+ per year is a more important part of the American society that I am. As someone who doesn't even have the desire to make that much, I guess I'm a slacker. But, shockingly, that isn't my perception of the American Dream. I didn't know that realizing the American Dream, being a "contributing" American had a price tag. I thought I lived in a country where value wasn't tagged with a price. Yet, I'm finding that apparently, it's more important to protect the wealth of those who have it already, than to give a break to those who don't earn enough to be perceived "worthy" of a break.

 

I know. I'm idealistic. But guess what? I'm also pragmatic. Heck...I believe in private education. I cling to my religion. I feel serious reforms are needed in entitlement agencies. How can it be that I can not fall hook, line and sinker into the "conservative" pool? It's really simple.

 

I believe that Obama's policies can benefit the majority of Americans.... I think McCain's policies will benefit only those who benefit currently. On this course, I see America continue to dissolve from a classless society, to a society similar to the Victorian Era. There are those with the wealth, the merchants, the servants and the poor. I don't want that for America. I want to see the America where those in the "middle" and the "bottom" are as valued as those at the top.

 

McCain's policies don't "scare" me. It will be similar to the 'status quo'. How can I be "scared"? I personally have nothing to lose either way. With McCain, I'll be certain to pay more taxes. With Obama, I might pay more taxes. But it's not just about me...it's about millions of "me's", past and present. And they far out number the number of people at the top of the gold pile.

 

The absolute best post I've read in the P&R in a long time.

For all the students on the board voting for Obama, let me ask you this.

 

If you worked really hard in a class to get a good grade say it be an A or B or even C. But in a effort to help the D and F students who werent going to class not studying etc, the Teacher decided they should have the grade you worked for, to help them out in the class. So you worked hard for the grade and few others didnt but got the same grade or got moved up a grade b/c of your hard work.... How would that make you feel? and be honest in your answer.

For all the students on the board voting for Obama, let me ask you this.

 

If you worked really hard in a class to get a good grade say it be an A or B or even C. But in a effort to help the D and F students who werent going to class not studying etc, the Teacher decided they should have the grade you worked for, to help them out in the class. So you worked hard for the grade and few others didnt but got the same grade or got moved up a grade b/c of your hard work.... How would that make you feel? and be honest in your answer.

 

It's called a curve. :lol:

For all the students on the board voting for Obama, let me ask you this.

 

If you worked really hard in a class to get a good grade say it be an A or B or even C. But in a effort to help the D and F students who werent going to class not studying etc, the Teacher decided they should have the grade you worked for, to help them out in the class. So you worked hard for the grade and few others didnt but got the same grade or got moved up a grade b/c of your hard work.... How would that make you feel? and be honest in your answer.

 

You can't be serious. So the way I take your post is to believe that the person making ALOT of money has worked harder than the person that only lands them in the middle class?