October 19, 200817 yr RM, please don't take this as a post that is against you, as that is not what it's intended to be. I really hope that you do not base your opinions, especially for this election, based on what you've read on this board. I know this is a pretty conservative board, but surely you are more intelligent than to believe what you read on here. Again, I'm saying you are, but your post leads me to believe that you're forming your opinion based on what you've read. Please show that I am wrong on this! Everyone, should take the facts that they've read on here, as well as everywhere else, and make a decision based on what's best for them. I know everyone is impacted by the economy, but please everyone do your research. If you feel Obama is the best for you, then by all means, vote for him. I guess my family is a little better off than I had thought.... I guess you didn't read the part of my post that says "in part". I would NEVER base my entire decision on the comments on this board. I began this decision making process like everyone else, well before the primaries. I was behind John Edwards all the way. When he dropped out, I had a quandry, Clinton, Obama and McCain, primarily. Frankly, none of them would have upset me if they were elected President. As the primaries played out and it came down to Obama and McCain, I was still in the same quandry. Again, neither "scared" me. And from some one who was staunchly against Bush, I know what being "scared" if a person is elected is. I found myself defending Obama, not because I was in support of him, but because I felt he was being unfairly characterized. I asked SEVERAL times for the people who were demonizing Obama to give me reasons TO support McCain. With few exceptions, to a poster, I was given slams on Obama, but nothing to go on with McCain. I did my own detective work. I watched every debate, Presidential and Vice-Presidential. I read from every variety of credible source that I could find. In the end, I still had an indecisive mind. But, as the months have worn on, the constant anti-Obama sentiments have taken their toll. I'm human. And there's a part of me, deep in my gut, that feels that if the people who are most adamantly against him, are people who most adamantly refute my thoughts when posted, that Obama IS the right choice. When posters who defend and support policies I wholeheartedly disagree with can't come up with anything more than negativity against Obama, yet nothing positive about their own candidate, I think "Hey, this guy may be the guy to shake up the status quo." If Obama is elected, in four years there will be another opportunity to elect someone else if he doesn't deliver. But if things are to change, they need to start changing now. Obama is the best candidate for the type of change that I believe America needs.
October 19, 200817 yr I'm sorry, but a curve is only there to help the stupid people....There's no reason for it. I don't necessarily agree with that. I tihnk that a curve's purpose is so that a certain percentage of students receive an A, certain % of students receive a B, etc. The purpose is to eliminate bias in the testing procedure. FWIW, I believe that a curve that results in a large, large percentage of students receiving an A, of course, is unfair to those who earned one, but a curve can serve a good purpose.
October 19, 200817 yr I don't necessarily agree with that. I tihnk that a curve's purpose is so that a certain percentage of students receive an A, certain % of students receive a B, etc. The purpose is to eliminate bias in the testing procedure. FWIW, I believe that a curve that results in a large, large percentage of students receiving an A, of course, is unfair to those who earned one, but a curve can serve a good purpose. I completely disagree. You get what you earned, end of story....At least that's the way it should be IMO.
October 19, 200817 yr I'm sorry, but a curve is only there to help the stupid people....There's no reason for it. I'll tell my son, who's pretty much the most disciplined, and hardworking individual that I know, that he's stupid because he was the beneficiary of a curve at some point. The difference between a C & a B can be the difference between keeping your scholarship or losing it.
October 19, 200817 yr I'll tell my son, who's pretty much the most disciplined, and hardworking individual that I know, that he's stupid because he was the beneficiary of a curve at some point. The difference between a C & a B can be the difference between keeping your scholarship or losing it. Being a student who has to maintain a 3.25 GPA every semester to keep my scholarship, believe me, I know about having to maintain a GPA....It doesn't change anything. You should be given the grade you get. A curve shouldn't be needed.
October 19, 200817 yr Being a student who has to maintain a 3.25 GPA every semester to keep my scholarship, believe me, I know about having to maintain a GPA....It doesn't change anything. You should be given the grade you get. A curve shouldn't be needed. I agree with you in most cases. However, I have seen professors make tests in which they EXPECT almost everybody to fail. How would that test and grade be fair, if they didn't curve it?
October 19, 200817 yr I agree with you in most cases. However, I have seen professors make tests in which they EXPECT almost everybody to fail. How would that test and grade be fair, if they didn't curve it? I've dealt with those professors too....Didn't seem to faze the students who knew they wouldn't be getting any curve....Personally, I feel a curve is a bad thing for students. It gives students an excuse to not study as hard, to not give their best effort....
October 19, 200817 yr Being a student who has to maintain a 3.25 GPA every semester to keep my scholarship, believe me, I know about having to maintain a GPA....It doesn't change anything. You should be given the grade you get. A curve shouldn't be needed. My son's scholarship has the same requirements. Taking 21 hours a semester, plus being required to be involved in two on-campus activities, and being in a direct entry program means that there are going to be some classes that are more difficult than others for him. He's not stupid, he doesn't slack. But you assert that being the beneficiary of a curve is for stupid people. I take exception to that.
October 19, 200817 yr I completely disagree. You get what you earned, end of story....At least that's the way it should be IMO. Not if the teacher's testing method is unfair or does not accurately represent the covered material.
October 19, 200817 yr I've dealt with those professors too....Didn't seem to faze the students who knew they wouldn't be getting any curve....Personally, I feel a curve is a bad thing for students. It gives students an excuse to not study as hard, to not give their best effort.... Really? I remember a chemistry class that I had my senior year at WKU. I was one of two students to actually pass the test...with a D. The professor told us that he expected EVERYBODY to fail it - that we had actually performed above his expectations. I guess the curve he then gave us was for stupid people! :lol:
October 19, 200817 yr My son's scholarship has the same requirements. Taking 21 hours a semester, plus being required to be involved in two on-campus activities, and being in a direct entry program means that there are going to be some classes that are more difficult than others for him. He's not stupid, he doesn't slack. But you assert that being the beneficiary of a curve is for stupid people. I take exception to that. 1) Anyone who has an academic scholarship is not "stupid people". If I insinuated that, I am sorry, that wasn't my intention. 2) If I may ask, why in the world is he taking 21 hours a semester? That's asking for academic trouble IMO.
October 19, 200817 yr Not if the teacher's testing method is unfair or does not accurately represent the covered material. If that's the case, they shouldn't be teaching....
October 19, 200817 yr Really? I remember a chemistry class that I had my senior year at WKU. I was one of two students to actually pass the test...with a D. The professor told us that he expected EVERYBODY to fail it - that we had actually performed above his expectations. I guess the curve he then gave us was for stupid people! :lol: I've had those types of classes....When I realized how difficult the tests would be, that made my study habits improve 10 fold....Midterm, I got a 65...Final, I got a 95. You think that was because of a curve?
October 19, 200817 yr 1) Anyone who has an academic scholarship is not "stupid people". If I insinuated that, I am sorry, that wasn't my intention. 2) If I may ask, why in the world is he taking 21 hours a semester? That's asking for academic trouble IMO. He's in a direct entry program. He'll graduate with a PhD in 6 years (total...only 3 more to go). He has a 3.5 GPA, so I'm pretty sure he's OK academically. He knew going into it what it would take. He was a 4.0 all through high school, so he was well prepared for this situation.
October 19, 200817 yr He's in a direct entry program. He'll graduate with a PhD in 6 years (total...only 3 more to go). He has a 3.5 GPA, so I'm pretty sure he's OK academically. He knew going into it what it would take. He was a 4.0 all through high school, so he was well prepared for this situation. Sounds like he's on his way to a successful career! Good for him, I'm sure you're a proud parent!!! :thumb:
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