Seems exactly like the response that the neo-cons had at Obama's nomination. :lol:

Yeah, attending a racist, anti-American church for 20 years, taking $168,000 in campaign donations from convicted felon Tony Rezko, launching a political career in the home of two unrepentant terrorists who had declared war on the US, and fighting to protect the right of hospitals to kill newborn survivors of abortions is just like the accusation that Sarah Palin faked her own pregnancy and pretended that her grandson is her son.

Never said they did. Sarah Palin is no extremist.

 

Assuming she adopts McCains stances on the issues no one knows about her, she might not be. As of now, she's pretty out there.

 

I am sure that Sarah Palin will not be overlooked. I look forward to voters comparing and contrasting her to both Obama and Biden.

 

The problem is that the public is familiar with both Biden and Obama and the attacks against them. At the very least, those attacks will be diluted by November, whereas Palin's will be fresh.

 

I do not recall ever labeling you as a liberal and I am referring to the despicable liberals who post cheap shots and outright fiction on sites like DailyKos, MoveOn, and the Democratic Underground.

You are entitled to your opinion. If you want to base your opinion of Palin on the loons at the Kos/Soros web sites and their willing media accomplices, then that is your decision. Donations are pouring in to the McCain campaign, so Sarah Palin will get her chance to appeal directly to the American people. My guess is that they will like what they see.

 

That's an interesting set of answers. "I didn't call you a liberal, but you are a drone of the most left-wing organizations I can think of." Rhetoric is a funny thing. And, donations stop coming into the McCain campaign this week, so she wasn't brought in for money, nor was it experience or policy wisdom. Diverting attention sounds about right.

^It is true that money will stop coming into the McCain/Palin campaign this week but Palin's selection will accelerate the donations to the RNC. McCain/Palin will have plenty of money to wage an effective campaign. She has ignited the conservative base and the liberals who believe personally attacking Sarah Palin and her daughter will dampen the enthusiasm of her conservative supporters just do not understand conservatives. Continued attacks from the rabid left wing of the Democratic Party will only help Republican fund raising efforts.

Come on, Birdsfan. Palin has been in her Governorship for 20 months, and that in a state with about as many people as Louisville. Apart from that experience, she served in a couple of very small-time elected roles (Mayor of Wasilla? City councilmember of Wasilla?). Someone may prove me wrong, but I don't think Palin has traveled abroad much at all. Her college degree is in journalism. Obama has a law degree from Harvard Law, taught Constitutional Law for many years, has lived and traveled abroad extensively, has been in the U.S. Senate for nearly four years, and has served on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for two years. He is currently chair for the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs. Before the Senate, he served in Illinois state legislature for eight years.

 

By any serious measurement (years, population represented/governed), Obama has substantially more relevant experience than Palin. He has more elected office experience than Abraham Lincoln had when he was inaugurated.

 

And although Palin is the #2 position on the ticket, she would be the backup for a man who would be the oldest President in U.S. history. Do you really think someone who has been the Governor of Alaska for less than 1/2 of one term, has zero foreign policy experience, and no economics or legal background belongs in the White House? The whole thing sounds like a premise for a Reese Witherspoon movie. How can McCain, whose campaign has been saying Obama lacks experience, responsibly nominate someone with even less given his age and prior health problems?

To me this makes Obama more and more of the "in" crowd. I'll even admit McCain is part of the "in" crowd, but he is known to buck the system. I have seen no evidence that Obama won't follow the Democratic platform step by step.

 

Palin has already shown that she isn't at all afraid to go against the powers that be when she ran for governor of Alaska.

 

I would think some of the more "independent" voters on BGP would love this pick as her actions show she isn't afraid to fight for what she believes in and go against what she knows is wrong (Even though I don't agree with a lot of what she believes in, I greatly respect this attribute in a person). I don't want leaders that just toe the party line.

Bingo. Yahtzee. We have a winner!

 

I will substitute One word in H's sentence: "Likewise, Obama, with no foreign policy experience is in no way, shape, or form qualified to be Head of State."

 

 

Uh, try again. Obama has served on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and chairs the subcommittee on European Affairs. In those capacities, he has made official visits to central Asia, Europe, the Middle East.

 

Tell me again what foreign policy experience Ms. Palin has?

To me this makes Obama more and more of the "in" crowd. I'll even admit McCain is part of the "in" crowd, but he is known to buck the system. I have seen no evidence that Obama won't follow the Democratic platform step by step.

 

Palin has already shown that she isn't at all afraid to go against the powers that be when she ran for governor of Alaska.

 

I would think some of the more "independent" voters on BGP would love this pick as her actions show she isn't afraid to fight for what she believes in and go against what she knows is wrong (Even though I don't agree with a lot of what she believes in, I greatly respect this attribute in a person). I don't want leaders that just toe the party line.

 

 

I guess it's cool to put someone in a situation totally over her head as long as she's not part of the Washington "in" crowd. I get it now.

I guess it's cool to put someone in a situation totally over her head as long as she's not part of the Washington "in" crowd. I get it now.

 

Never having done something doesn't mean you are in over your head when you try it. Jumping in feet first and doing the job to the best of your ability is what America is all about.

Thank you John McCain for handing the nod over to our next President Barak Obama.

Never having done something doesn't mean you are in over your head when you try it. Jumping in feet first and doing the job to the best of your ability is what America is all about.

:thumb::thumb:

 

I think she has proven she can handle the challenge.

I guess it's cool to put someone in a situation totally over her head as long as she's not part of the Washington "in" crowd. I get it now.

This whole experience argument is such a funny argument for me. Palin has executive experience, something NOBODY running for President or Vice President currently has except her.

 

McCain and Biden definitely have experience with the ins and outs of Washington, but not executive experience. Personally I'm not a huge fan of a two senator ticket...I would much rather have a former governor than a senator in either case if all else is the same.

 

Obama has basically no experience at all except for quickly getting himself planted into the inner circle.

From what I can gather, the McCain campaign did a poor job of vetting Palin.

Once a member of an Alaskan secession party.

 

Was for the bridge to nowhere.

She hired a lawyer in the trooper case.

 

Now, none of those are really earth-shattering, in fact I would assume anyone would hire a lawyer to guide them through an investigation even if they are innocent. But, how hard did the McCain campaign look into her background? Currently, they have dispatched ten lawyers to Alaska to do a more thorough vetting, and I'm willing to bet their are at least that many Democratic lawyers up there now. Will there be a surprise before November?

 

Your're right. None of these are earth shattering, assuming that all of them are true. I would question her judgment if she had not hired a lawyer to represent her in the investigation.

 

Aces - there are many of us on here interested in how you rationalize the above.

 

We have a VP candidate during her intoduction thump her chest saying that she said "thanks but no thanks" to the Bridge to Nowhere funds loudly proclaiming that if Alaska wanted the bridge they'd build it themselves. "We don't need no stinkin' FED $$. "It turns out she lied. What she REALLY meant was "we don't need no stinking FED $$ UNLESS it covers the ENTIRE bill. We're OK with it UNLESS you want Alaska $$ to go towards it." (I paraphrased.)

 

So, you have replied that (again I paraphrase) that lying about your fiscal responsiblity views in front of the nation is not "earth shattering."

 

While we can debate semantics as to what constitutes "earth shattering" we can't debate the fact that she lied, can we?

 

Let me state that its possible I misread that story even though I read about 10 different articles so feel free to enlighten me.

 

Are there different levels of lies that are allowed? Does the person doing the lying somehow mitigate the lie? Is it possible she simply did a Roger Clemens and "misremembered?"

There are different shades of conservative. I doubt that 60% identifies with the extreme end.

 

 

 

Americans don't like Wright. It doesn't mean Palin will be overlooked.

 

Liberals sure seem scared of the prospect of facing Palin on the ticket. I have never seen so much smearing of a VP candidate in such as short time.

 

Your continual labeling of me as a liberal, while comical, is indicative of a poor argument.

 

 

 

I guess.

 

It is becoming increasingly clear that Palin was a last minute, desperation pick. The ticket is hardly cohesive, she appeals to only conservatives, terribly little is known about her (including McCain and his staff), and she's got a couple of months to sell the public on her stances on a plethora of important issues. How good was Obama's speech? Meet Sarah Palin.

 

How do you know if McCain and his staff know little about her? You say such in such an absolute manner, which I find hard to believe that you know. Heck, even a non-political junkie like me has been following her for the last couple of months. I have a feeling that McCain and his staff know just about every thing about her.

 

On another point, her lack of experience is a valid concern for some. If you are confident that McCain will die in office and she would become President, I can understand why such could be a concern. However, keep in mind that if such was to occur, Palin would as President then nominate her desired VP and that person would have to be approved by a majority vote of both houses of Congress. My guess is that, given her lack of foreign policy experience, she and Congress would want the new VP to be well versed in foreign policy matters.

 

But that only happens if McCain dies in office and I don't see why some people think that is likely. From what I know, McCain is in great physical shape and remains very mentally sharp. I realize that the Presidency brings a lot of stress, but all this talk about McCain not being able to survive a term is a bit much. But even if it was to occur and a VP had to be nominated and confirmed, assuming that the person confirmed was very strong in foreign affairs, would that be any different than what the Democrats are currently offering?

 

In other words, the Democrats offer a definite Pres with little foreign policy experience and a VP with strong foreign policy experience. Only if McCain dies in office, does the Republican choice result in the same. If McCain survives, then the Republican choice (from a foreign policy perspective) is much stronger.

 

And I do have to say that Palin's lack of DC experience is a positive to me (and my guess many others). While I want the President to be someone very in tuned to foreign policy, intel and military affairs, it will be somewhat refreshing to have someone in the "inner circle" that isn't too far removed from what life is like for the every day American. My guess is that many women would find it refreshing that the VP is dealing with tough family issues that they are dealing with as Moms, is trying to balance a career and raising a family and is still changing diapers, even if they disagreed with some of her political stances. All women, no, but some women, yes.

 

Would I vote for Palin for President? Probably not at this point in her political "career". But I think she is perfect for the role of VP. And please, no one bother with the heart beat away stuff. It happens so rarely that I don't even listen to those concerns. But for argument purposes, even if it did, I'm confident that she would nominate and Congress would confirm a VP that had the background that she is missing.

And I do have to say that Palin's lack of DC experience is a positive to me (and my guess many others). While I want the President to be someone very in tuned to foreign policy, intel and military affairs, it will be somewhat refreshing to have someone in the "inner circle" that isn't too far removed from what life is like for the every day American. My guess is that many women would find it refreshing that the VP is dealing with tough family issues that they are dealing with as Moms, is trying to balance a career and raising a family and is still changing diapers, even if they disagreed with some of her political stances. All women, no, but some women, yes.

 

Would I vote for Palin for President? Probably not at this point in her political "career". But I think she is perfect for the role of VP. And please, no one bother with the heart beat away stuff. It happens so rarely that I don't even listen to those concerns. But for argument purposes, even if it did, I'm confident that she would nominate and Congress would confirm a VP that had the background that she is missing.

Very nice!

Never having done something doesn't mean you are in over your head when you try it. Jumping in feet first and doing the job to the best of your ability is what America is all about.

 

 

This isn't Little League where everybody gets to try regardless of how good they are. The selection of a Vice Presidential running mate should be based on readiness to assume the Presidency if called upon (and with McCain's advanced age and prior bouts with cancer, that scenario is entirely plausible).

 

America is also all about being a meritocracy, where people are judged based on their qualifications before being put into positions of power and authority. Millions of American voters made the judgment that Barack Obama is qualified. How many people made that determination about Sarah Palin?

This isn't Little League where everybody gets to try regardless of how good they are. The selection of a Vice Presidential running mate should be based on readiness to assume the Presidency if called upon (and with McCain's advanced age and prior bouts with cancer, that scenario is entirely plausible).

 

America is also all about being a meritocracy, where people are judged based on their qualifications before being put into positions of power and authority. Millions of American voters made the judgment that Barack Obama is qualified. How many people made that determination ab out Sarah Palin?

Sarah Palin hasn't had the help from the media that Obama has. He was media made, plain and simple IMO.