Would #1 be for Sen. McCain? The former "Maverick?"

 

I have no clue on what you are referring to.

How do you know if McCain and his staff know little about her? You say such in such an absolute manner, which I find hard to believe that you know. Heck, even a non-political junkie like me has been following her for the last couple of months. I have a feeling that McCain and his staff know just about every thing about her.

 

This is my argument, or theory, I suppose:

• Palin was considered early as a possible shake-up pick, but was eventually ruled out in favor of a more traditional pick.
  
• The vetting either stopped short or never reached an intense level, so some things had slid under the radar.
  
• A strategists decided to toss a Hail Mary after Obama's speech, thinking, especially with the hurricane coming in, that they would have a tough time recovering.
  
• Palin was then selected, last minute, on the less than thorough vetting.
  
• Had she have been seriously considered before the zero-hour, news of some of the less than savory aspects would have been made public well in advance, while she wasn't in center stage, so as to dampen their effect once she claimed that position. The McCain campaign would have also had pre-prepared statements on each.
  
• More news has come to light that Palin was extremely effective in gathering earmarks for her city as well as flip-flopping on one of the most famous pork-barrel spending scenarios in current politics - all a hallmark of McCain's platform to oppose such frivolity and on which Palin's selection was praised.
  

 

Coupling all of this with the fact that she is much more conservative than McCain in many aspects, the ticket lacks cohesion. In my eyes, she was poorly vetted, the campaign is desperate, or, most likely, it was both.

 

Now, some of us are capable of divorcing our positions and opinions from various analyses, including campaigns, and as such, I do not feel this is an effective pick, but one that smacks of desperation. On the other hand, as a Republican (albeit moderate) and a long time supporter of John McCain, I do not like the pick either, as she is too conservative for my taste and lacks any stances or probable understanding of the complex issues that are most important to me.

This is my argument, or theory, I suppose:

• Palin was considered early as a possible shake-up pick, but was eventually ruled out in favor of a more traditional pick.
  
• The vetting either stopped short or never reached an intense level, so some things had slid under the radar.
  
• A strategists decided to toss a Hail Mary after Obama's speech, thinking, especially with the hurricane coming in, that they would have a tough time recovering.
  
• Palin was then selected, last minute, on the less than thorough vetting.
  
• Had she have been seriously considered before the zero-hour, news of some of the less than savory aspects would have been made public well in advance, while she wasn't in center stage, so as to dampen their effect once she claimed that position. The McCain campaign would have also had pre-prepared statements on each.
  
• More news has come to light that Palin was extremely effective in gathering earmarks for her city as well as flip-flopping on one of the most famous pork-barrel spending scenarios in current politics - all a hallmark of McCain's platform to oppose such frivolity and on which Palin's selection was praised.
  

 

Coupling all of this with the fact that she is much more conservative than McCain in many aspects, the ticket lacks cohesion. In my eyes, she was poorly vetted, the campaign is desperate, or, most likely, it was both.

 

Now, some of us are capable of divorcing our positions and opinions from various analyses, including campaigns, and as such, I do not feel this is an effective pick, but one that smacks of desperation. On the other hand, as a Republican (albeit moderate) and a long time supporter of John McCain, I do not like the pick either, as she is too conservative for my taste and lacks any stances or probable understanding of the complex issues that are most important to me.

 

Are you implying that she isn't smart enough to understand things? How could you come to that conclusion?

Are you implying that she isn't smart enough to understand things? How could you come to that conclusion?

 

No, not at all, she is a very intelligent person. But, they are difficult issues that she would not have encountered at the state level and would have had no reason to be crafting, at that. So she's going to be in a crash course with a steep learning curve. Just not my cup of tea.

No, not at all, she is a very intelligent person. But, they are difficult issues that she would not have encountered at the state level and would have had no reason to be crafting, at that. So she's going to be in a crash course with a steep learning curve. Just not my cup of tea.

 

 

OTOH, McCain once said the only job for VP's was representing the US at State Funerals....

OTOH, McCain once said the only job for VP's was representing the US at State Funerals....

 

Unless it is some really important person and then the President actually goes.

No, not at all, she is a very intelligent person. But, they are difficult issues that she would not have encountered at the state level and would have had no reason to be crafting, at that. So she's going to be in a crash course with a steep learning curve. Just not my cup of tea.

 

Any reason on why you feel she can not take the crash course with the steep learning curve and succeed?

Any reason on why you feel she can not take the crash course with the steep learning curve and succeed?

 

I'm not saying she can't, it's just not a situation I look for in a candidate.

I'm not saying she can't, it's just not a situation I look for in a candidate.

 

Who will be running this country on the day after the inaugration if McCain is elected?

Do you trust McCain to have a knowledgeable Cabinet that knows what they are doing?

The bolded is an ironically funny statement when O has said that we need change in DC. We have to have change to do what this country needs to do.

He has said that McCain is just more of the same in DC.

And his choice for VP is a senator that has been in DC for 38 years.

 

If O TRULY BELIEVES that we need a change in DC and to quit doing what has been done in DC, HOW IN THE WORLD, does he think Biden is ready to serve the way O would serve if something, God forbid, would happen to O?

 

Biden and McCain and Hillary is what O was campaigning AGAINST.

 

What he is campaigning AGAINST is what he chose for VP???

 

 

 

Obama and Biden may have policy differences here and there, but they both certainly represent distinct change from the direction George W. Bush has taken the country in.

Who will be running this country on the day after the inaugration if McCain is elected?

Do you trust McCain to have a knowledgeable Cabinet that knows what they are doing?

 

lbbc, I can't reduce this any further: I am not attracted to a candidate that does not have a position on issues most important to me. Would you like a candidate whose stance on abortion was: *nothing*? And would you then trust them to come to a conclusion on that issue that mirrors yours, perhaps after the election?

Obama and Biden may have policy differences here and there, but they both certainly represent distinct change from the direction George W. Bush has taken the country in.

 

And McCain/Palin too.

 

Some of the directions that Bush has taken this country has been a good direction. Appointment of Roberts and Alito.

 

His lack of control of spending has been horrible and he deserved to be voted out of office for it in 2004, but the Democrats couldn't put a good candidate up to do so.

 

His handling of the war and sticking with Rumsfeld too long was a bad call.

 

Going with McCain's strategy to end the war in a manner that seems to be one that will be positive for the US and ignoring the call of O and the Dems was a positive.

 

His passage of the partial birth abortion ban that the Clintons vetoed was a great move. And it being upheld by the SC with Roberts and Alito on it was a great thing for this country.

 

His inability to capture Osama while still be able to contain him was not good.

lbbc, I can't reduce this any further: I am not attracted to a candidate that does not have a position on issues most important to me. Would you like a candidate whose stance on abortion was: *nothing*? And would you then trust them to come to a conclusion on that issue that mirrors yours, perhaps after the election?

 

I would expect them to take a position as the campaign moved forward and I would hope that you would give Palin an opportunity to do the same on the positions you hold.

Would I vote for Palin for President? Probably not at this point in her political "career". But I think she is perfect for the role of VP. And please, no one bother with the heart beat away stuff. It happens so rarely that I don't even listen to those concerns. But for argument purposes, even if it did, I'm confident that she would nominate and Congress would confirm a VP that had the background that she is missing.

 

 

So, you're in effect saying you're willing to vote for someone not at all qualified in the hope that if she is forced to assume the presidency, she would nominate someone who is qualified to help her out. That's comforting. :eek: It's a lot cleaner if McCain simply picks someone qualified in the first place, you know.

Obama and Biden may have policy differences here and there, but they both certainly represent distinct change from the direction George W. Bush has taken the country in.

 

But that was not what O was claiming in the primary when he claimed that HIllary and the rest was just more of the same of Washington doing what Washington always does.

 

What he complained and WON WITH throughout the Democrat primary is what he put on his ticket.

 

So either he was disingenious with his claims against them in the primary or he has decided their warts is now something he is willing to accept when he didn't want the voters to accept them 8 months ago.