June 28, 200818 yr So a team player, in you mind, should risk his career by going out to the hill with a fatigued arm? Maybe if the Reds were actually in the race. Still probably not though. Like I said arm fatigue is not the same as an injury. As long as he maintains his mechanics (his stride might be a little bit shorter but he's not doing anything to put any additional strain on his arm) there's really not much of a risk injury-wise. Take this into account: in his first start after the relief outing he was lit up for 10 hits and 6 runs in 4 innings but he only threw 73 pitches. He followed that up with a decent outing where he allowed 9 hits, but only 3 runs in 6 innings--however he threw 113 pitches. The next game he was shelled again 5.1 innings, 11 hits, 7 runs but again his pitch count was under 100 at 91. The game that followed was the Red Sox game where he looked like his old self with 7 innings, 4 hits and 1 run--however this time he threw 118 pitches. The two starts since then he's pitched a combined 10.2 innings, allowed 17 hits and 10 runs and thrown 107 and 118 pitches respectively. What I'm getting at is he's tired and when he's been kept under 100 pitches he's followed that up with a couple of quality starts where he looked like he was starting to get it back. In each instance, however, he seemed to use up whatever progress he had made towards getting rested and was lit up the next start when he again didn't have his stuff. Succeeding in the big leagues is a fine line and the fatigue is just enough to make him ordinary, he needs to be skipped or DL'd and I think he'd be fine.
June 28, 200818 yr Huge difference in having something physically / structurally wrong and a tired arm. And yes, you can feel the difference. That's exactly what I was trying to say, he's tired but he'll keep taking the ball through that. If he were injured I'm sure he'd let them know.
June 28, 200818 yr Like I said arm fatigue is not the same as an injury. As long as he maintains his mechanics (his stride might be a little bit shorter but he's not doing anything to put any additional strain on his arm) there's really not much of a risk injury-wise. Take this into account: in his first start after the relief outing he was lit up for 10 hits and 6 runs in 4 innings but he only threw 73 pitches. He followed that up with a decent outing where he allowed 9 hits, but only 3 runs in 6 innings--however he threw 113 pitches. The next game he was shelled again 5.1 innings, 11 hits, 7 runs but again his pitch count was under 100 at 91. The game that followed was the Red Sox game where he looked like his old self with 7 innings, 4 hits and 1 run--however this time he threw 118 pitches. The two starts since then he's pitched a combined 10.2 innings, allowed 17 hits and 10 runs and thrown 107 and 118 pitches respectively. What I'm getting at is he's tired and when he's been kept under 100 pitches he's followed that up with a couple of quality starts where he looked like he was starting to get it back. In each instance, however, he seemed to use up whatever progress he had made towards getting rested and was lit up the next start when he again didn't have his stuff. Succeeding in the big leagues is a fine line and the fatigue is just enough to make him ordinary, he needs to be skipped or DL'd and I think he'd be fine. If your arm is fatigued, even if you keep perfect mechanics, you risk injury with ever pitch you throw. I've seen it happen.
June 28, 200818 yr Author Like I said arm fatigue is not the same as an injury. As long as he maintains his mechanics (his stride might be a little bit shorter but he's not doing anything to put any additional strain on his arm) there's really not much of a risk injury-wise. Take this into account: in his first start after the relief outing he was lit up for 10 hits and 6 runs in 4 innings but he only threw 73 pitches. He followed that up with a decent outing where he allowed 9 hits, but only 3 runs in 6 innings--however he threw 113 pitches. The next game he was shelled again 5.1 innings, 11 hits, 7 runs but again his pitch count was under 100 at 91. The game that followed was the Red Sox game where he looked like his old self with 7 innings, 4 hits and 1 run--however this time he threw 118 pitches. The two starts since then he's pitched a combined 10.2 innings, allowed 17 hits and 10 runs and thrown 107 and 118 pitches respectively. What I'm getting at is he's tired and when he's been kept under 100 pitches he's followed that up with a couple of quality starts where he looked like he was starting to get it back. In each instance, however, he seemed to use up whatever progress he had made towards getting rested and was lit up the next start when he again didn't have his stuff. Succeeding in the big leagues is a fine line and the fatigue is just enough to make him ordinary, he needs to be skipped or DL'd and I think he'd be fine. :thumb::thumb:
June 28, 200818 yr If your arm is fatigued, even if you keep perfect mechanics, you risk injury with ever pitch you throw. I've seen it happen. What about the rest of my post? Each time his pitch count has been kept down he's responded with a better start. Each time he's went over 100 pitches he's followed that up by being lit up. Doesn't that at least suggest that fatigue is the problem?
June 28, 200818 yr What about the rest of my post? Each time his pitch count has been kept down he's responded with a better start. Each time he's went over 100 pitches he's followed that up by being lit up. Doesn't that at least suggest that fatigue is the problem? It was great research, and yes it does suggest fatigue is the problem. I've said that I would like to see him skip a start before, and I'll stick to it.
June 28, 200818 yr What about the rest of my post? Each time his pitch count has been kept down he's responded with a better start. Each time he's went over 100 pitches he's followed that up by being lit up. Doesn't that at least suggest that fatigue is the problem? It brings back up my fears about Dusty Baker... There are too many young arms here for Dusty...
June 28, 200818 yr Author It brings back up my fears about Dusty Baker... There are too many young arms here for Dusty... The real mistake in the debacle was his worst managing move so far...
June 28, 200818 yr Unbelievable. Between Griffey's lazy throw (there's a cut off man for a reason) and Votto's inability to catch & throw the ball consistently, that was a disaster.
June 28, 200818 yr How many more chances is Majewski going to get? He is goodness awful and can't get the job done. All we kept hearing was "when he is healthy" well, he has been healthy for over a year now and still can't get people out. Of course the Bad News Bears routine in the field doesn't help matters.
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