June 28, 200818 yr He's grooving all of his pitches, not just the fastball. How many times has he been hit hard up 0-2? Way too many. It's his stuff. All of it... You say that he's grooving his pitches. You say that he's getting hit hard on 0-2. That's not "stuff". That's bad pitching & even worse location.
June 28, 200818 yr That was a pretty easy Aflac Trivia Question tonight. It should be Randy Johnson, C.C. Sabathia, Johan Santana and Frankie V.
June 28, 200818 yr Author You say that he's grooving his pitches. You say that he's getting hit hard on 0-2. That's not "stuff". That's bad pitching & even worse location. Which hasn't happened for 3 years when he was still learning. He's not right. It started in San Diego. Spin it any way you'd like...
June 28, 200818 yr That was a pretty easy Aflac Trivia Question tonight. It should be Randy Johnson, C.C. Sabathia, Johan Santana and Frankie V. They asked for 5, didn't they?
June 28, 200818 yr That was a pretty easy Aflac Trivia Question tonight. It should be Randy Johnson, C.C. Sabathia, Johan Santana and Frankie V. Forgot Barry Zito
June 28, 200818 yr Which hasn't happened for 3 years when he was still learning. He's not right. It started in San Diego. Spin it any way you'd like... It started in San Diego? He threw 4 scoreless innings and struck out 9 thanks to the shadows in that game. Greg Maddux & Tom Glavine were actually more effective when they dropped in velocity. Many more pitchers are too. The difference is they hit their spots and have solid control. Harang, for some reason or another, does not have that type of control anymore. What he could throw on the inside part of the plate is no longer effective - maybe because it's a few MPH slower, maybe because it's just catching too much of the plate. Regardless, Harang hasn't made the necessary adjustments.
June 28, 200818 yr That's because his fastball has lost the late zip that makes him so effective. He can't throw anything by anyone right now. He's also missing his spots right down the middle too often. At best it has arm fatigue written all over it. It's the debacle mixed with the fact he's the most worked guy in the bigs over the last three years... So an in between 4 innings the day after you threw on the side couldn't trigger arm issues that were inevitable at some point in the near future? His velocity and location were fine to that point. Since then, only once in 7 starts. Coincidence? Yeah right... He is. He threw on the side the day before the debacle. Harang is not going to say a word if it's just fatigue. His arm could be falling off and he's going to want the ball in 5 days. I think he needs 15 days on the DL, and most of this should take care of itself. Right now, it's getting counterproductive to keep running him out there without some time off... :thumb: He's a great team player and he's not going to throw his manager under the bus. I tired arm is not necessarily injured it just doesn't have it's normal life--that's a big reason he keeps taking the ball. As for the Boston start don't you think it's possible that facing the World Champs with all the buildup of their first visit since '75 might have given him some extra adrenaline. Also the Red Sox didn't had 3 regulars out that game and a dinged up Manny.
June 28, 200818 yr :thumb: He's a great team player and he's not going to throw his manager under the bus. I tired arm is not necessarily injured it just doesn't have it's normal life--that's a big reason he keeps taking the ball. As for the Boston start don't you think it's possible that facing the World Champs with all the buildup of their first visit since '75 might have given him some extra adrenaline. Also the Red Sox didn't had 3 regulars out that game and a dinged up Manny. A team player does not keep going out to the hill if he feels anything is wrong at all. Simple as that.
June 28, 200818 yr A team player does not keep going out to the hill if he feels anything is wrong at all. Simple as that. That's just silly. How often does a pitcher go out there without his best stuff? Around 1/2 the time. The team is scrambling for starters with Fogg on the DL and having to trot Arroyo's rotting corpse out there. Someone has to take the ball and fatigue is not the same as an injury.
June 28, 200818 yr That's just silly. How often does a pitcher go out there without his best stuff? Around 1/2 the time. The team is scrambling for starters with Fogg on the DL and having to trot Arroyo's rotting corpse out there. Someone has to take the ball and fatigue is not the same as an injury. So a team player, in you mind, should risk his career by going out to the hill with a fatigued arm? Maybe if the Reds were actually in the race. Still probably not though.
June 28, 200818 yr It started in San Diego? He threw 4 scoreless innings and struck out 9 thanks to the shadows in that game. Greg Maddux & Tom Glavine were actually more effective when they dropped in velocity. Many more pitchers are too. The difference is they hit their spots and have solid control. Harang, for some reason or another, does not have that type of control anymore. What he could throw on the inside part of the plate is no longer effective - maybe because it's a few MPH slower, maybe because it's just catching too much of the plate. Regardless, Harang hasn't made the necessary adjustments. It's not the control as much as a lack of movement. His fastball before moved late and that movement was responsible for a lot of his success. Since his velocity has dropped so has the movement on his fastball an he's getting hit when he comes in the zone.
June 28, 200818 yr That's just silly. How often does a pitcher go out there without his best stuff? Around 1/2 the time. The team is scrambling for starters with Fogg on the DL and having to trot Arroyo's rotting corpse out there. Someone has to take the ball and fatigue is not the same as an injury. Huge difference in having something physically / structurally wrong and a tired arm. And yes, you can feel the difference.
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