You're kidding. That's really hard to believe. Especially with such a highly educated group.

 

Does it look like I am kidding?

Yes and no.

 

You can have the choice of taking your checks in 10 months or 12 months. Obviously, different amounts.

 

Some teachers choose 12 at a lower monthly amount.

 

Even though they choose 12, those checks are done, printed up and waiting in the central office for the teacher. By law, since the employment time is done, all pay to the teacher has to be done and over by the end of the fiscal year on June 30th.

 

So, teachers receive a check but it is not paid for that time.

 

BTW, for me, we get paid ONCE A MONTH. Any other salaried position get paid once a month?

So your salary is based on working 10 months per year.

 

If you make $35,000 per year teaching then you are making the same as a private sector worker making $42,000 per year. Again explain to me how teachers are underpaid?

So your salary is based on working 10 months per year.

 

If you make $35,000 per year teaching then you are making the same as a private sector worker making $42,000 per year. Again explain to me how teachers are underpaid?

 

When I was in the JCPenney's managment trainee program 18 years ago, so admittedly, things could change their for the worse or the best, it was estimated that I would be making about $80,000 to $100,000 right now, if I stayed at JCPenney's.

 

I make around the figure you put out for a private sector worker with 18 years of experience.

 

BTW, paid in a system with 10 checks is not the same as working only 10 months a year. I have spent considerable time working during the summer working unpaid.

I also want to clearify that I in no way believe teachers are overpaid. I just happen to think they are not underpaid any more so then the average person. Anybody will argue they are underpaid. I have never heard anyone say that want they made was just right or too much. It just seems that everyone thinks the PC thing to do or say is "Teachers are underpaid" and it's pretty much crap.

When I was in the JCPenney's managment trainee program 18 years ago, so admittedly, things could change their for the worse or the best, it was estimated that I would be making about $80,000 to $100,000 right now, if I stayed at JCPenney's.

 

I make around the figure you put out for a private sector worker with 18 years of experience.

You are also trying to compare a front line worker job (teacher) with a managment position. How much does the superindent for your school district make? That would be more comparable to a management position at JC Penny's.

You are also trying to compare a front line worker job (teacher) with a managment position. How much does the superindent for your school district make? That would be more comparable to a management position at JC Penny's.

 

No, that would be in line with district/regional manager.

 

I was talking about the manager of a couple departments within the store compared to a teacher in charge of their classes/departments in their school. Very similar.

No, that would be in line with district/regional manager.

 

I was talking about the manager of a couple departments within the store compared to a teacher in charge of their classes/departments in their school. Very similar.

My example wasn't very good but neither is yours. A store manager would be comparable to a principle. What does your princple make?

You are also trying to compare a front line worker job (teacher) with a managment position. How much does the superindent for your school district make? That would be more comparable to a management position at JC Penny's.

 

I've been monitoring this thread for a week now waiting for someone to make this point. Bravo, Woodsrider.

That is a myth.

 

Teachers don't get tenure till after their 5th year teaching. Many, many, many teachers are let go in those first 5 years. And many others go of their own accord because of salary or having to deal with what they have to deal with.

 

A recent study showed the teaching career of a beginning teacher is about 3.2 years. Most are gone before they ever reach tenure.

 

Not a myth a reality.

 

I addressed the case of the teacher at Male High School that failed over 70%of her students, has a history of verbally abusing students and had arcane grading policies such as giving failing grades for putting a staple in the wrogn corner. It took over two years to get her out of the classroom because of tenure. Maybe it's rare but it does happen and if even one student is adversly affected because of an incompetent teacher stayiong in the classroom because of tenure then that's one to many as far as I'm concerned.

 

If a teacher is a bad teacher then they should be fired regardless of how long they have been on the job.

:sleep: And what market forces set teacher salary?

 

Since teachers unions won't allow merit pay, none. All teachers are paid on the same scale regardless of abilities and successes. THat is opposed to the free market.

Since teachers unions won't allow merit pay, none. All teachers are paid on the same scale regardless of abilities and successes. THat is opposed to the free market.

 

 

And "who" should determine who the good teachers are?

Since teachers unions won't allow merit pay, none. All teachers are paid on the same scale regardless of abilities and successes. THat is opposed to the free market.

 

You just can't make merit pay work. Some communities emphasize education more than others, and regardless of how good of a teacher you are if education isn't reinforced in the home a teacher can't reach a student. Not to mention just some years you have smarted kids than others, not all students are created equal no matter what No Child Left Behind says. Merit pay rewards teachers for something they often can't control.

And "who" should determine who the good teachers are?

 

Principals and other administrators

 

You just can't make merit pay work. Some communities emphasize education more than others, and regardless of how good of a teacher you are if education isn't reinforced in the home a teacher can't reach a student. Not to mention just some years you have smarted kids than others, not all students are created equal no matter what No Child Left Behind says. Merit pay rewards teachers for something they often can't control.

 

Sure you can. Yearly reviews and evaluations by supervisors, principals and other administrators. I'm in no way just talking about pay based on pass/fail rates but teachers like employees in other professions can be evaluated by supervisors and those evaluations could be used to determine pay rates and increase rates. Better reviews get higher raises and/or bonuses.

Principals and other administrators

 

 

 

Sure you can. Yearly reviews and evaluations by supervisors, principals and other administrators. I'm in no way just talking about pay based on pass/fail rates but teachers like employees in other professions can be evaluated by supervisors and those evaluations could be used to determine pay rates and increase rates. Better reviews get higher raises and/or bonuses.

 

I might go along with this, but whenever a teacher are evaluated by administrators, they will put more effort in to those days then days when they aren't especially if you put pay scales on the line. Also this kind of pay scale would not be attractive to teachers and we need a system that attracts the best teachers possible to our state, thats the only way things will get better.

Bachelors degree and specialized certification (although it has become commonplace for individual employers to require a masters) 20+ hours of continuing education yearly that must be maintained for as long as you work.

 

I hope you realize that teachers/administrators also have to maintain 24 to 48hours of continuing education yearly that must also be maintained for as long as they work.