I hope you realize that teachers/administrators also have to maintain 24 to 48hours of continuing education yearly that must also be maintained for as long as they work.

When is this ConEd taken?

 

I have a very good friend with a Rank I and I don't recall him ever going to any specialized ConEd courses (other then the course work he took for his Rank I). He does do the professional development programs that are done at the school.

When is this ConEd taken?

 

I have a very good friend with a Rank I and I don't recall him ever going to any specialized ConEd courses (other then the course work he took for his Rank I). He does do the professional development programs that are done at the school.

 

With a Bachelor's degree, teachers have to take 30 hours, I believe to get their master's. This is done in the summer, evenings or online while they are employed. They have to have 1/2 of it done in the first 5 years or they lose their teaching certification. Fully completed in 10 years.

 

In the first year of their teaching they have to participate in the KTIP program which is an intern type program. My fellow teacher completed hers this week. Her binder was over 300 pages long with forms, tests, reasoning for questions, lesson plans, etc, etc.

 

That prevents a lot of first-year teachers from doing any work on their master's the first year.

 

At that time, you could stay at Master's level and never take another college class.

 

But there is a Rank I level that is another 30 hours that usually comes with a pay increase. The cost of the classes compared to the pay increase means it will take 3-5 years for you to have the pay increase to recoup the cost of the Rank I. For coaches, it is very difficult to do this program because of the time constraints.

 

If you want to be a principal or educational administration, that is another 30 hour program.

 

If you want to be a counselor, that is another 30 hour program.

 

Although, I do believe that either of those can be taken as your Rank I but you don't have to go into those areas to get a Rank I.

 

For the last two, unless they are tied to your Rank I, there is no increase pay unless you get hired as an administrator or a counselor. When you get a job in those positions, you work more days in the summer and get paid for that. For simply, being a principal, asst principal, etc, there is a stipend that is usually only about $2,000 more per year.

 

Hope that information helps.

On the 10 month point and summers off point, there is not much that can really be done about that.

 

During the summer at the HS level, grades and credits are being finalized, schedules are being processed and prepared for the next year. The front office has to have time to prepare the schedule for 900 students in my school's case. It is not as simple as putting the names and schedule requests into a computer for them to spit out. Resource students require special attention in putting their schedules togethers. Seniors that are very tight on credit needs also require special attention on their scheduling. Requests for vocational school and college level classes have to receive individual attention.

 

Selection and training of teachers to replace teachers that have retired or left have to be made.

 

Several committees meet and work throughout the summer on special school projects. Curriculum alignment, changing of schedule, new discipline methods, etc, etc.

 

In addition, summer school is needed at all levels to try and catch up students that are behind and in danger of failing a grade level.

 

In addition, at all levels, the maintenance staff needs time to keep the building in good shape. Repainting, repairing and getting the building back in shape for the next school year.

 

Many teachers will work on the maintenance crew during the summer to supplement their income.

 

Many bus drivers work summer months in the same regard with the buses.

 

Not to mention, the students need time to recharge before coming back for the following year.

 

It is NOT like the teachers have chosen for the school calendar to only be 10 months. In fact, in many school systems, the teachers would like to consider a move away from the calendar that was determined when we were an agricultural nation and move to a more alternative calendar that sees more breaks for the students during the whole year rather than 2 months for the students in the summer.

FROM THE COMMISSIONER…

In an average school year, Kentucky spends about $43 each day to educate our children. That’s about $7 an hour. On average, Kentuckians working in jobs where a high school diploma is not required make about $7.37 an hour.

 

“Do we place so little importance on education that we are only willing to pay an amount that is equivalent to salaries for the most menial occupations?”

 

This straight from the desk of the commissioner.....................

 

You Be The Judge..............:eek:

I've been monitoring this thread for a week now waiting for someone to make this point. Bravo, Woodsrider.

 

And that point is teachers' salaries should be more comparable with the wages of kids folding clothes?

I might go along with this, but whenever a teacher are evaluated by administrators, they will put more effort in to those days then days when they aren't especially if you put pay scales on the line. Also this kind of pay scale would not be attractive to teachers and we need a system that attracts the best teachers possible to our state, thats the only way things will get better.

I can work as hard as I want on the day that my performance review is conducted but it will not have much impact if my actual performance has been poor on the previous 364 days. If a supervisor has no idea how effective his subordinates are to the point where a performance appraisal is based on a one day observation, then the supervisor would probably not receive much of raise him/herself.

 

When a private company sets out to hire an engineer or other professional, the prospective candidate is generally not interested in what the average employee makes who is already employed by the company. The recruit wants to know what he or she will be paid upon accepting the job and what his or her prospects for future advancement are.

 

A rigid salary structure that pays teachers the same regardless of performance and results makes no more sense than it does in the private sector.

And that point is teachers' salaries should be more comparable with the wages of kids folding clothes?

 

1. Show me a "kid folding clothes" making $25,000 per year, with tax exemptions, a retirement savings plan, and generous health care coverage.

 

2. The point of woodsrider's post, and my concurrence, is that educator's argue their belief that they should be paid commensurate with high level executives in the private sector. But you have to compare apples to apples. In a typical corporate industry, a high level executive might be akin to a superintendent, a low level executive might be akin to a principal, a middle management position might be akin to an experienced teacher, and an entry-level management position might be akin to a newly certified teacher or with a just a few years experience. If you compare the salary ranges equally, I think you will find that the private sector is not earning all that much more than the teaching indsutry.

 

You can't just get on here and say, "hey, I've got a Master's, and therefore should be paid $80,000 per year. Plus, what I do is more important because there would be no executives without me." It doesn't work that way in the private sector, and it doesn't work that way with teachers.

 

In Kentucky, we spend an appalling 69% of total state budget towards education and related expenses. The vast majority of that is toward an ever-increasing and bloated teacher entitlement system designed to make sure that they are taken care of for the remainder of their lives. It is a public sector luxury that the private sector rarely enjoys. Teachers compare wages - when they should be comparing jobs. If you are going to factor in everything, you need to factor in the good parts of the job, too, and not just look at whether your paycheck is equal.

When you break it down to the hour, teachers are not compensated for their time in a respectible way. And you throw in extra duties (which probably 90% of teachers are involved in ) and it become rediculous. Most of us don't teach and coach to become rich or make tons of money, that is obvious. But when you crunch the numbers and the hours put in, it is not what it should be. I am not complaining, because I love teaching and coaching and being around the kids.

When you break it down to the hour, teachers are not compensated for their time in a respectible way. And you throw in extra duties (which probably 90% of teachers are involved in ) and it become rediculous. Most of us don't teach and coach to become rich or make tons of money, that is obvious. But when you crunch the numbers and the hours put in, it is not what it should be. I am not complaining, because I love teaching and coaching and being around the kids.

 

But you are complaining.

I am not complaining, I am trying to make those that have NO IDEA of what teaching is understand a little better. Most people that have no experience with teaching (Parents, spouses, ETC) see the summers off and holiday's off and assume that teachers have it easy. And you know what happens when you assume.............

Teachers are NOT overpaid. The idea is just plain ludicrous when you consider what they do and their education requirements.

Teachers are NOT overpaid. The idea is just plain ludicrous when you consider what they do and their education requirements.

 

You are absolutly correct............:ylsuper:

But you are complaining.

 

So, any time you state a position, it is complaining?

 

The Bengals have been horrible the past 17 years. Am I stating a position or complaining?

I am not complaining, I am trying to make those that have NO IDEA of what teaching is understand a little better. Most people that have no experience with teaching (Parents, spouses, ETC) see the summers off and holiday's off and assume that teachers have it easy. And you know what happens when you assume.............

 

I will go back to a statement I posted on here a month back that I recently heard at a PD.

 

Describe how a banana tastes?

 

You can't really, you just have to taste it to appreciate what a banana tastes like. And if you have not tasted a banana, you can't really know what it tastes like.

 

Same with teaching. You can't appreciate the job that is being done unless you are teaching.

I will go back to a statement I posted on here a month back that I recently heard at a PD.

 

Describe how a banana tastes?

 

You can't really, you just have to taste it to appreciate what a banana tastes like. And if you have not tasted a banana, you can't really know what it tastes like.

 

Same with teaching. You can't appreciate the job that is being done unless you are teaching.

 

Then you would agree with me that teachers should not compare themselves with other jobs and professions that they have not themselves experienced?