While they are doing the open records check, have them check to see who was present when they did the blind draw a couple years back.

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My personal view is that the Louisville schools may feel they will get some repercussions from signing the letter. Plus, putting Trinity and St. Xavier on the same side doesn't necessarily help them all that much.

 

It's also my feeling, just from personal observation, that there is more anti-Trinity and anti-St. Xavier feelings coming from the rural schools.

 

I would say maybe 20-30 extra points on the score board.

Terrific Twenty to some

While they are doing the open records check, have them check to see who was present when they did the blind draw a couple years back.

 

Oh yes the blind draw. When the KHSAA decided to just do a blind draw for Districts 3,4,5 and 6 and do nothing different in Districts 1,2,7 and 8. It was all about saving the gas money right? :laugh:

We can argue semantics all you want. The other sentence in your post states, and I quote "stand up for what is right." I'm pretty familiar with your position on this issue as are most regular readers. I think I got it right. And no, nowhere in my post do I allude to anyone not being able to speak out. That's grandstanding by you. I say speak your mind. Just do it without all the ridiculous claims of I'm right you're wrong and those are facts. They're NOT facts. They're opinions, and in this controversy a good perecentage of the people arguing have absolutely no idea what the facts are. I know you are not typically among that group so it surprised me to see you make such a statement.

 

In the end. I find it incredibly distasteful that the very same people I read on here that claim the great thing about our state basketball tournament is that it is unclassed, unwatered down, all comers, yada, yada, yada are the very same people who cry foul about the prublic private, Xand T issues, Not you LBBC, but so many others. It is just so clear to me that people simply want a softer road to victory without making it appear that it is their own doing. I don't blame public schools per se, but I do have a sour taste for medium to large county systems that are doing most of the crying whilst they take pleasure in pummeling smaller schools year-in and year-out and hide behind the concept of "seeding" as if it were the panacea for all unfair competition. Seeding only makes a better case for classification as does this concept of "hiding" from X and/or T by pitting them against each other solely based on their previous successes. I know I've mixed in several issues but I see them all as indications of the "me first" attitude of some school districts.

 

Sorry for the rants. LBBC you are a credit to your position and to public education. But it is okay if we disagree. That from a public school grad and staff member.

 

No problem.

 

And just for the record for the new posters on here, it seems this post indicates that I am for a public/private split.

 

I think the best split is at an open/closed enrollment level and that a privates are getting all of the blame for the state of HS athletics in this state and that is not an accurate position.

 

The transferring all over the placeand the behind the scenes recruiting that goes on is the problem.

 

I think that open/closed split allows like schools to compete against like schools.

 

I think those football coaches on the side of T and X are role models for stepping up and defending their program.

 

I think those football coaches at other programs are role models for stepping up and defending their program.

 

But that does not mean there is not an issue out there that needs to be addressed.

But what irks me, LBBC, is that you make a point to laud these 20 coaches as great role models because they are standing up for what they feel is right.

 

Whether intentional or not, your post is an implication that those who did not sign the letter, and by default the coaches of X & T are not standing up for what is right.

 

Not one time has anyone seriously considered the lengths that Dr. Mullen, in particular, has gone to in his presentation of alternate proposals in the separation proposal discussions. Not once has anyone lauded the proponents of the private schools for standing up for what they feel is right. In fact, the opposite is true. Those in favor of a split of any sort are the first to dismiss what the private schools propose as self-serving and some sort of veil to disguise some sort of devious plot to overthow KY football.

 

If you wanted to be fair, I think you could have included your assertion that standing up for what one believes is laudable on the part of both sides of the debate. I know you post that you are trying to be fair and balanced, but I honestly think that you are deliberate in your intention to exclude any positive remarks about the private school's intentions.

 

Your missing my point. It is not about whether their argument is wrong or right.

 

But like this thread indicates by calling them "Terrible 20," they probaby knew that on message boards across the state they were going to be dissected and ripped apart.

 

And despite the knowledge that posters were going to call them whiners, losers, cowards, OR as guru called them "terrible 20" etc etc, they did something that they thought was right.

 

When the media figures out who they are, they will probably be treated like

Wilson Sears. But for what THEY FELT WAS RIGHT, they took an action.

 

That is the point I am alluding to, not whether the point of their letter is right or not.

But what irks me, LBBC, is that you make a point to laud these 20 coaches as great role models because they are standing up for what they feel is right.

 

Whether intentional or not, your post is an implication that those who did not sign the letter, and by default the coaches of X & T are not standing up for what is right.

 

Not one time has anyone seriously considered the lengths that Dr. Mullen, in particular, has gone to in his presentation of alternate proposals in the separation proposal discussions. Not once has anyone lauded the proponents of the private schools for standing up for what they feel is right. In fact, the opposite is true. Those in favor of a split of any sort are the first to dismiss what the private schools propose as self-serving and some sort of veil to disguise some sort of devious plot to overthow KY football.

 

If you wanted to be fair, I think you could have included your assertion that standing up for what one believes is laudable on the part of both sides of the debate. I know you post that you are trying to be fair and balanced, but I honestly think that you are deliberate in your intention to exclude any positive remarks about the private school's intentions.

 

 

I probably do come across that way because I am tired of being smacked across the face from private school supporters who call me and my kind whiners, losers, lazy, are not committed, etc, etc, etc.

 

Just like you guys are tired of being called cheaters.

 

Fair?

That would also result in a massively lopsided bracket numerically unless some schools west of Louisville were playing in the eastern bracket which makes no sense in my book.

 

Weird alignments such as that are not without precedent in Ky. Corbin and other schools in their district (Wayne, Garrard, Casey) played in the west for a long time in 2A, even getting to the championship game against Breathitt Co. a few years back, making it an all mountain-area final.

If there was a slight to T and X, it is not intended.

 

It is simply that T and X really means nothing to me. I only think of them when I get into discussions on BGP, so when I formulate some thoughts on these issues they are not with T and X in mind because they really don't exist in my little part of this world.

 

That leads me to oversight concerning them.

 

RM, when you mention Dr. Muellen, I have zero clue who that is except your post indicates he has something to do with Trinity I would guess, since you are a Trinity supporter.

 

That said, it is meant to be no slam at Trinity or X since I am sure in your little part of the world, Pendleton County doesn't really exist either. And as you formulate your thoughts on the matter, it would be easy for you to overlook Pendleton County.

Unless the 20 coaches submitted a fair and new alignment that puts Trinity and St. Xavier on the same side of the bracket, they really don't have much of an argument.

I wish that the KHSAA would do the same for NKY. Divide the state between Campbell and Kenton Coutny, the Licking River and then HHS and CovCath can play for the 5A Title every year. :dancingpa

I don't know either way but is it possible or practical to divide up the region by north/south instead of east/west?

 

Normally I would say yes, but our state is so long east/west wise, that to split it that way, would make for a ton of long drives in the playoffs.

We can argue semantics all you want. The other sentence in your post states, and I quote "stand up for what is right." I'm pretty familiar with your position on this issue as are most regular readers. I think I got it right. And no, nowhere in my post do I allude to anyone not being able to speak out. That's grandstanding by you. I say speak your mind. Just do it without all the ridiculous claims of I'm right you're wrong and those are facts. They're NOT facts. They're opinions, and in this controversy a good perecentage of the people arguing have absolutely no idea what the facts are. I know you are not typically among that group so it surprised me to see you make such a statement.

 

In the end. I find it incredibly distasteful that the very same people I read on here that claim the great thing about our state basketball tournament is that it is unclassed, unwatered down, all comers, yada, yada, yada are the very same people who cry foul about the prublic private, Xand T issues, Not you LBBC, but so many others. It is just so clear to me that people simply want a softer road to victory without making it appear that it is their own doing. I don't blame public schools per se, but I do have a sour taste for medium to large county systems that are doing most of the crying whilst they take pleasure in pummeling smaller schools year-in and year-out and hide behind the concept of "seeding" as if it were the panacea for all unfair competition. Seeding only makes a better case for classification as does this concept of "hiding" from X and/or T by pitting them against each other solely based on their previous successes. I know I've mixed in several issues but I see them all as indications of the "me first" attitude of some school districts.

 

Sorry for the rants. LBBC you are a credit to your position and to public education. But it is okay if we disagree. That from a public school grad and staff member.

 

That's a really good post bulldog. I agree with you on all the points you raised, including your assessment of LBBC, although I do think some public school administrators do have some blame. And I think LBBC would agree with me on that issue.

That's a really good post bulldog. I agree with you on all the points you raised, including your assessment of LBBC, although I do think some public school administrators do have some blame. And I think LBBC would agree with me on that issue.

 

There is plenty of blame to pass around on this issue and the administrators (let me point out that I am talking about public school administrators here) do deserve their share.

 

And then there are also things that no one has control over that also help create and continue the situation and of which there is no one to blame.

But what irks me, LBBC, is that you make a point to laud these 20 coaches as great role models because they are standing up for what they feel is right.

 

Whether intentional or not, your post is an implication that those who did not sign the letter, and by default the coaches of X & T are not standing up for what is right.

 

Not one time has anyone seriously considered the lengths that Dr. Mullen, in particular, has gone to in his presentation of alternate proposals in the separation proposal discussions. Not once has anyone lauded the proponents of the private schools for standing up for what they feel is right. In fact, the opposite is true. Those in favor of a split of any sort are the first to dismiss what the private schools propose as self-serving and some sort of veil to disguise some sort of devious plot to overthow KY football.

 

If you wanted to be fair, I think you could have included your assertion that standing up for what one believes is laudable on the part of both sides of the debate. I know you post that you are trying to be fair and balanced, but I honestly think that you are deliberate in your intention to exclude any positive remarks about the private school's intentions.

By intentions, and I am not being a smart A, what do you feel are the "intentions" of the "private" schools.