To the extent we're talking about reforms we'd like to see happen, I'd like to make it much easier for the public schools to throw out problem kids. As LBBC had elaborated on quite profusely over the years, the allocation of resources to problem kids (kids that are disciplinary problems and kids that don't want to learn) is disproportionate. They not only take up precious resources, they make it harder for those kids that want to learn to be able to learn. If it takes a constitutional change, then so be it but it needs to happen. Perhaps if teachers didn't have to deal with the problem kids, they'd be more happy with their compensation. Teachers are there to educate, not act as parents charged with disciplining, raising and motivating kids.

 

Are you advocating that each county or school system have an "alternative" school?

 

You have to start getting your Masters within 5 and have it within 10 years. It doesn't have to be in Education, it can be in a content area. Mine will likely be in history.

 

So its not a requirement that a math teacher have a degree in math or a Masters in math?

We used to do this, but there are no longer jobs for problem kids to take, and I know that you don't want them going on welfare when they are not educated well enough to find well paying jobs.

 

Not only that, if a large portion of your citizenry is not well educated then it is hard to attract businesses to your area.

 

Oh, you are definitely right, I don't want them on welfare; hades, I don't want any welfare for any one period. They'd work at gas stations and burger joints, they'd mooch off of their families to survive and if they resorted to crime, I'd lock them up.

 

Allowing discipline problem kids to stay in high school will not result in those kids becoming well educated. If any thing, they make it harder for other kids to become well educated.

 

At some point in time, we will once again make people accountable for their decisions and actions. And no, I do not think high schoolers are too young to be able to make good decisions about their life choices. If that's the case, then kids should not be able to get their driver's licenses until their 21. If they are responsible enough to entrust them with a 2000 pound moving piece of metal on the public highway, they are responsible enough to decide if they want to get with the educational program or be thrown out.

 

And no I'm not saying that you throw them out of high school at the first sign of trouble, but there comes a point when its apparent to any reasonable person that some kids do not want to take advantage of the opportunity to be educated.

To the extent we're talking about reforms we'd like to see happen, I'd like to make it much easier for the public schools to throw out problem kids. As LBBC had elaborated on quite profusely over the years, the allocation of resources to problem kids (kids that are disciplinary problems and kids that don't want to learn) is disproportionate. They not only take up precious resources, they make it harder for those kids that want to learn to be able to learn. If it takes a constitutional change, then so be it but it needs to happen. Perhaps if teachers didn't have to deal with the problem kids, they'd be more happy with their compensation. Teachers are there to educate, not act as parents charged with disciplining, raising and motivating kids.

I have said the same thing for many years. :thumb:

The purpose of educating in the U.S, is that we want our citizens to bell well educated especially in voting situations, however, I do agree that students that do not want to learn should have an alternative to education. However, if they (repent) sort of speak, I think they should have the oppertunity to be educated.

So its not a requirement that a math teacher have a degree in math or a Masters in math?

 

 

Math teachers, have to have a degree in it at some point or another for middle school or high school. Either in undergrad or at the grad level.

 

Middle School and Secondary education majors actually major in their content area and then have education as a double major, even though it doesn't give them both degrees. It counts as a minor despite the workload being the same a as a double major. From there they can get their masters in Education or their content area.

 

If they were not in education as an undergrad they have to go for an MAT and of course teach in whatever content area that their major would have applied to.

 

Elementary majors have a "focus" but it isn't to the same degree as a major. The content they cover doesn't require the same degree as specialization because of the age of the kids they are teaching and they don't have to teach them in as much detail.

I am suprised no one has said smaller classes or for that fact smaller schools...

Math teachers, have to have a degree in it at some point or another for middle school or high school. Either in undergrad or at the grad level.

 

Middle School and Secondary education majors actually major in their content area and then have education as a double major, even though it doesn't give them both degrees. It counts as a minor despite the workload being the same a as a double major. From there they can get their masters in Education or their content area.

If they were not in education as an undergrad they have to go for an MAT and of course teach in whatever content area that their major would have applied to.

Elementary majors have a "focus" but it isn't to the same degree as a major. The content they cover doesn't require the same degree as specialization because of the age of the kids they are teaching and they don't have to teach them in as much detail.

 

 

This is what I did, did you know it is easier to go through that program then the undergrad, I did all the work in undergrad except for student teaching, I saw the MAT program, got hired on at a school, got my masters and started teaching at the same time, where as if I did student teaching, I would have not been paid, and would have not been able to work on my master's. So in short I love the MAT program

I am suprised no one has said smaller classes or for that fact smaller schools...

 

 

Smaller classes are much more important than smaller schools in my opinion.

 

Trinity and St. X both have enrollments of over 1300 but the student to teacher ratio is not that high. 12:1 at Trinity I believe and our student body has achieved quite well despite our having 1400 boys in the school.

 

There are schools in other states that do exceptionally well that have over 2000 students in them, so I personally feel that it is more the student to teacher ratio than actual size of the student body.

This is what I did, did you know it is easier to go through that program then the undergrad, I did all the work in undergrad except for student teaching, I saw the MAT program, got hired on at a school, got my masters and started teaching at the same time, where as if I did student teaching, I would have not been paid, and would have not been able to work on my master's. So in short I love the MAT program

 

 

I went the other route and am mildly annoyed by how it hits those of us who did.

 

What was your content area though? Mine is not one that is in demand which is why I still have not found a teaching job yet.

It is but as a teacher, I would love to see more and more jobs open... the magic number by the way is 17:1 anything higher and you will not get the same achievement.

So its not a requirement that a math teacher have a degree in math or a Masters in math?

 

As PepRock1 said, MS and HS teachers have a bachelor's degree in their subject area, in addition to what amounts to a double major in education. Their masters degree can be in their subject area, but most do this in education, some specializing in certification for principalship, counseling, curriculumn and instruction, etc.

 

Were you just curious or suggesting another plan?

Does anyone know why the military won't take kids if they don't have HS diploma or GED? I only ask this because I think the military would be an option for some of these kids.

I have said the same thing for many years. :thumb:

 

Have you or Leatherneck spent any time at all with troubled kids? I am the director of a day treatment facility (alternative school) and what you are suggesting is just crazy - there is not kid that does not want an education, some just haven't figured out how to function in a school environment and no one is helping them too.

 

Go work in a gas station and flip burgers, right. What do you think the people with GEDs and high school diplomas are doing? We go for weeks on end trying to find work for some of our students, it is just not there.

 

please go spend some time at your local school, find the troubled kids and go visit their homes . . . then come on here and talk about what they can and cannot do.

Have you or Leatherneck spent any time at all with troubled kids? I am the director of a day treatment facility (alternative school) and what you are suggesting is just crazy - there is not kid that does not want an education, some just haven't figured out how to function in a school environment and no one is helping them too.

 

Go work in a gas station and flip burgers, right. What do you think the people with GEDs and high school diplomas are doing? We go for weeks on end trying to find work for some of our students, it is just not there.

 

please go spend some time at your local school, find the troubled kids and go visit their homes . . . then come on here and talk about what they can and cannot do.

As an expert....what do you propose?