December 14, 200718 yr What ticks me off is that he players union didn't cooperate at all so there are a whole lot of guys that are guilty not being named.
December 14, 200718 yr Tom, be serious. They weren't testing and there was no defined penalties. They had no desire to enforce it because they needed Sammy and Mac to bring the fans back. You are very intelligent -- you know that policy from '97 is nonsense.
December 14, 200718 yr I didnt know you could write a hooker a check.... I will ask next time..... :laugh:
December 14, 200718 yr Author Tom, be serious. They weren't testing and there was no defined penalties. They had no desire to enforce it because they needed Sammy and Mac to bring the fans back. You are very intelligent -- you know that policy from '97 is nonsense. I really think they hoped that the enforcement of the drug testing and penalties in the minor's would take care of the future. In the meantime, they'll allow Big Mac and Sammy to help increase attendance and bring the fans back. Boy did that backfire...
December 14, 200718 yr Does Varitek being on the list make it more credible? Actually he's not on the list that ESPN has. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646
December 14, 200718 yr Author Actually he's not on the list that ESPN has. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646 Correct, he's not in the report...
December 14, 200718 yr I bet these players aren't happy about this report. You're right Sticky. It does feel good.
December 14, 200718 yr Author I bet these players aren't happy about this report. You're right Sticky. It does feel good. :lol::lol::lol:
December 14, 200718 yr Tom, be serious. They weren't testing and there was no defined penalties. They had no desire to enforce it because they needed Sammy and Mac to bring the fans back. You are very intelligent -- you know that policy from '97 is nonsense. Doesn't mean it couldn't be enforced, then or now. Even with no "defined penalties," anybody who took part in the steroid trade from that point forward was "subject to discipline by the Commissioner and risk(ed) permanent expulsion from the game." That could open a very large door, if the Budman chooses to do so.
December 14, 200718 yr Correct, he's not in the report... I'm glad, he's one of my all-time favorite Red Sox, he plays the game the right way. Plus I'll always remember him for giving A-Rod the ole' 2 hand shove to the kisser and turning the 2004 season around.
December 14, 200718 yr I've thought about this long and hard today (I had a long drive, so what better to do than listen to hours of coverage). I've decided that pretty much everyone was cheating and there's really no telling how long this has been going on. Heck, you can't even detect HGH, so only the idiots that purchased it using their own names off the Internet were caught doing this. Any moron would know to get a friend to purchase the stuff. That being said, I don't think we know the half of it still and we have a pretty impressive list. All this taken into consideration - what can you do? I say the records must stand and we must go from here in an attempt to clean up.
December 14, 200718 yr Blame Donald Fehr, Selig's hands are tied... Donald Fehr's are more tied than Selig's. He represents the players, he doesn't make their decisions for them.
December 14, 200718 yr This just pretty much sums up what I've said all along... There are more players that played in the majors that DID use some form of steroids than players that DIDN"T. They need to try and get this out of the way as quick as possible so the league can move on.. If any discipline is made at all I would only narrow it down to stuff that happened in the last 5 years or so.. Sad day in baseball.
December 14, 200718 yr Doesn't mean it couldn't be enforced, then or now. Even with no "defined penalties," anybody who took part in the steroid trade from that point forward was "subject to discipline by the Commissioner and risk(ed) permanent expulsion from the game." That could open a very large door, if the Budman chooses to do so. Bud Selig and his band of merry men are the biggest hypocrites in this whole ordeal. If he goes after any of these players after-the-fact it will open a kettle of fish he'll immediately wish he hadn't. Fortunately for him, the amount of defamation law-suits will be small because that would mean, in most cases, the players would have to take the stand UNDER OATH and answer questions. Umm, me thinks they wouldn't like that much.
December 14, 200718 yr Baseball had a steriod problem in the 90's. Adam Dunn wasn't on the list. Adam Dunn is a liability in the field.
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