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Baker critics don't let facts get in the way...

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2003 and 2004...under Dusty

 

And before that???

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More recently than the Reds, though ...

 

Hook, line and sinker...

Hook, line and sinker...
Heck, I could manage a team to a winning record with a healthy Prior, Wood, Zambrano and Clement in the starting rotation.

 

Hook, line and sinker ... nah, just an acknowledgment that desperate teams and desperate times call for desperate measures.

just an acknowledgment that desperate teams and desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

I guess you should have a myriad of valuable knowledge on the topic. Best I can tell, he went all out in 03 and 04. It damaged 05 and 06 so he's now the villain. In the end Dusty took the Cubs to places they have been dreaming of for 100 years. Tough crowd, Cubs Fan...

I guess you should have a myriad of valuable knowledge on the topic. Best I can tell, he went all out in 03 and 04. It damaged 05 and 06 so he's now the villain. In the end Dusty took the Cubs to places they have been dreaming of for 100 years. Tough crowd, Cubs Fan...
Baker was a poor manager even in '03 and '04 but the Cubs had enough talent on hand to overcome it. His fetish for no-count utility players and penchant for cavalierly taking chances with valuable arms, among his other faults, caught up with him.
Baker was a poor manager even in '03 and '04 but the Cubs had enough talent on hand to overcome it. His fetish for no-count utility players and penchant for cavalierly taking chances with valuable arms, among his other faults, caught up with him.

 

Still reading like sour grapes. I never got an answer on the last back to back winning seasons before Dusty did it...

Still reading like sour grapes. I never got an answer on the last back to back winning seasons before Dusty did it...
Read it however you wish ...
Read it however you wish ...

 

Again. Last back to back winning seasons for the Drubbies before Dusty???

I don't know and don't care. If you want the answer badly enough, you can look it up.

 

Whatever the answer is, it doesn't prove anything. Regardless of his record the first two years in Chicago, Baker's managerial idiosyncracies played a huge role in the collapse.

I don't know and don't care.

 

You don't know, and obviously don't seem to care, about the CENTURY long ineptitude of your favorite franchise. Say no more..

Arroyo and Harang are no strangers to throwing 110 pitches...

 

Harang is a workhorse. Arroyo on the other hand is not. I seem to recall a couple of early exits by him because of being gassed.

Still not 100% happy about it but I'm trying to decide if one person is reason enough not to follow a team that I've been following for 23 years of my life...

 

Currently I'm in a wait and see mode...

 

The funny thing is, while Cubs fans think the worst thing he's done is run them into the ground, it's what I think is the best thing he's done... :D

 

I"m with you on that one.

There is always Detroit and St. Louis, to root for.....:thumb:

 

Or at least Detroit...

Pitcher Abuse Points (PAP)? Are you kidding me? They actually have something like that...:lol:

Harang is a workhorse. Arroyo on the other hand is not. I seem to recall a couple of early exits by him because of being gassed.

I think that was more from his "concert tour" than his pitch count!

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