July 19, 200719 yr Offensive points scored per game 1. Louisville 38.9 1. West Virginia 38.9 3. Louisiana St. 33.1 4. Pittsburg 31.8 5. Arkansas 30.0 6. Tennessee 29.3 7. Rutgers 29.2 8. Florida 28.8 9. Kentucky 26.6 10. Auburn 25.4 11. South Carolina 25.2 12. Georgia 24.7 13. South Florida 22.9 14. Alabama 22.3 15. Vanderbilt 22.0 16. Connecticut 21.4 17. Cincinnati 20.6 18. Mississippi St. 18.4 19. Syracuse 17.4 20. Mississippi 15.7
July 19, 200719 yr Offensive total yards per game. 1. Louisville 476.8 2. West Virginia 463.0 3. Louisiana St. 404.2 4. Florida 398.1 5. South Carolina 385.3 6. Arkansas 378.8 7. Tennessee 374.3 8. Kentucky 372.5 9. Pittsburg 372.3 10. South Florida 367.9 11. Vanderbilt 351.0 12. Alabama 340.9 13. Cincinnati 339.9 14. Rutgers 333.9 15. Auburn 332.8 16. Connecticut 323.9 17. Georgia 321.1 18. Mississippi St. 286.8 19. Syracuse 264.0 20. Mississippi 261.4
July 19, 200719 yr Draw your own conclusions but I don't think that those rankings really show any real trends one way or the other to support that the SEC defense is overrated or that the offense is lacking. IMO if anything it shows that Louisville and West Virginia are head and shoulders above the rest of the Big East conference. It also appears to me that the SEC has much more depth. If they were in the SEC, Louisville and West Virginia would be competive in SEC play, but I don't see any other Big East team that would able to finish above .500 on a consistent basis.
July 19, 200719 yr OK, so it appears that the arguement here is that the SEC defenses are only good because the SEC offense is rahter weak? Also that the SEC offenses are old and outdated and don't compare to the cutting edge gameplay of up a comers such as Louisville and the rest of the Big East? Lets rank the schools in the two conferences and see how they stack up against each other. I'll start with points allowed per game. 1. Louisiana St. 12.5 2. Florida 13.5 3. Auburn 13.9 4. Rutgers 14.7 5. Louisville 16.6 6. Georgia 17.1 7. South Carolina 17.3 8. South Florida 17.8 9. Alabama 18.0 10. Arkansas 18.4 11. Cincinnati 19.3 12. Tennessee 19.5 13. West Virginia 20.6 14. Pittsburg 22.8 15. Mississippi 22.9 16. Vanderbilt 23.7 17. Syracuse 24.6 18. Mississippi St. 25.8 19. Connecticut 27.0 20. Kentucky 29.1 Its interesting that UL only gave up 16 points a game including all those great Big East offenses, but gave up 28 points to the only SEC school on the table. The lesson to be learned here is stats are easy to be twisted and turned in order to make a point. :thumb:
July 19, 200719 yr The lesson to be learned here is stats are easy to be twisted and turned in order to make a point. :thumb: Especially when you just list some numbers and expect them to be accepted at face value without making any conclusions using intelligent anaylisis. For example, I'm sure Alabama wasn't happy allowing Hawaii to pass for 350 yards against them, however it was 91 yards less than their average so you could say they actually slowed down the Hawaii passing game. When you actually consider that they only allowed 22 yards rushing and won the game, it doesn't seem like such a big deal.
July 19, 200719 yr Its interesting that UL only gave up 16 points a game including all those great Big East offenses, but gave up 28 points to the only SEC school on the table. The lesson to be learned here is stats are easy to be twisted and turned in order to make a point. :thumb: Exactly. Numbers and stats don't do the justice that the wins and losses columns do. Kind of like how UK allowed 29.1 points per game(mainly against the SEC offenses) and UofL scored over double that.
July 19, 200719 yr One final point regarding SEC overrated defenses. Cincinnati (an above .500 Big East team) lost to Virginia Tech allowing 29 points and 333 total yards. Georgia (a .500 SEC team) beat Virginia Tech only allowing 24 points and 189 total yards. West Virginia ( an above .500 Big East team, and alleged national power) manged to defeat Georgia Tech however they allowed 35 points and 486 total yards. Georgia defeated Georgia Tech only allowing 12 points and 188 yards.
July 19, 200719 yr Author Come on guys, your messing up RRR's point with facts.No, I actually appreciate the discussion.
July 19, 200719 yr UofL is where there are today because of Tom Jurich, what John L started (I hate the guy but I give credit where it's due) and what Petrino finished. That's a good point and Jurich is a very good AD. I think UK's AD is very good also. But you can't deny that UK's misfortunes (caused by Mumme and Basset-thanks Sticky) created a big window of opportunity for UL. Credit to Jurich and Petrino that they took advantage, but you'd have blinders on if you didn't think that UK"s stumble greatly assisted UL's football rebirth.
July 19, 200719 yr Credit to Jurich and Petrino that they took advantage, but you'd have blinders on if you didn't think that UK"s stumble greatly assisted UL's football rebirth. Did it assist? Probably....Greatly assist? Doubtful...UK may have made a couple of the last 7 or 8 games closer, but I don't know that the outcomes would have been much different.
July 19, 200719 yr That's a good point and Jurich is a very good AD. I think UK's AD is very good also. But you can't deny that UK's misfortunes (caused by Mumme and Basset-thanks Sticky) created a big window of opportunity for UL. Credit to Jurich and Petrino that they took advantage, but you'd have blinders on if you didn't think that UK"s stumble greatly assisted UL's football rebirth. I do think it helped some but I still believe with Jurich and those two coaches UofL would still be where they are today whether or not those incidents at UK had occurred.
July 20, 200719 yr I do think it helped some but I still believe with Jurich and those two coaches UofL would still be where they are today whether or not those incidents at UK had occurred. Obviously this is one of those issues that neither of us can prove ourselves right. My logic is: didn't UL get some pretty good Ky football players to by pass UK and come to UL that didn't go to UK because of the UK situation? Brohm is a no brainer to go to UL because of his brother coaching there. I wonder if Bush would have went there if UK hadn't been messed up and had been doing well. Playing in the SEC is generally much more attractive than playing in the conference UL was playing in at the time. I know the Grover kid chose Purdue over UK because he didn't feel "comfortable" with Mumme and Bassett. I could go into details, but won't. While Grover didn't directly help UL, it made UK weaker, thus helping UL recruit the Ky kids. Wasn't there a very good running back from Lex that also spurned UK because Mumme/Bassett who initially went to UT and ended up at UL? Can any one else think of players that you would have thought would have helped UK that took a pass because of Mumme/Bassett and the problems they created at UK? Again, I'm not trying to discredit Jurich or Petrino. They deserve props. I just think Mumme and Bassett made it easier for them to have the success they had. To what degree is probably impossible to quantify.
July 20, 200719 yr Again, I'm not trying to discredit Jurich or Petrino. They deserve props. I just think Mumme and Bassett made it easier for them to have the success they had. To what degree is probably impossible to quantify. :thumb: :thumb: I agree, IMO U.K. - Hal "B"umme and Basset did more for U.L.'s recruiting in state kids than anything or anyone else.
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