7 hours ago, Jumper_Dad said:

I was speaking to a subject matter expert in the field of School Resource Officers. JCPS unless something has changed recently, did not want their own officers in the schools. They are to remain in their cars traveling between schools and are to only enter the school if summoned by the school. They were forbidden from carrying a baton, taser or firearm until a policy change was forced on JCPS. The officers are all certified Kentucky Law Enforcement Officers, either hired from another agency or hired and sent to the academy. JCPS Police Division is pretty widely considered one of the worst Law Enforcement Jobs in Kentucky due to total lack of support from system administrators. 

If the officers are handcuffed like this (I'll see myself out), then what's the point of even having them? Optics? Just ridiculously poor decision making within JCPS. 

3 hours ago, TheDeuce said:

I hate to stereotype, but I'm going to assume the overwhelming majority are in a single parent household. 

That is my assumption as well.

3 hours ago, TheDeuce said:

If the officers are handcuffed like this (I'll see myself out), then what's the point of even having them? Optics? Just ridiculously poor decision making within JCPS. 

I knew you would come around, Deuce. ??

Just now, theguru said:

I knew you would come around, Deuce. ??

I've always been on board that the leadership at the top of JCPS has been subpar. My only issues I've had were when it's appeared that people are painting all of JCPS in a negative light. That still isn't the case, and I still feel that way. 

Hopefully with the upcoming change with the Super will promote some positive change for the district. 

2 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

I've always been on board that the leadership at the top of JCPS has been subpar. My only issues I've had were when it's appeared that people are painting all of JCPS in a negative light. That still isn't the case, and I still feel that way. 

Hopefully with the upcoming change with the Super will promote some positive change for the district. 

I am sure the majority of the students, teachers, and administrators are fantastic but it only takes a couple of rotten apples at the top to disrupt the safety of all involved. 

Just now, theguru said:

I am sure the majority of the students, teachers, and administrators are fantastic but it only takes a couple of rotten apples at the top to disrupt the safety of all involved. 

That we definitely agree on. 

On 2/12/2025 at 9:14 AM, TheDeuce said:

Start arresting these kids and their parents. 

23 hours ago, sportsfan41 said:

KY is extremely soft on juveniles. Unless they're a proven threat to their guardians/families they live with, they're not getting locked up.

Ohio has a law on the books that, I had recently heard of last year, the Serious Youthful Offender. My understanding is that it's geared towards juveniles that engage in violent crime as well as organized crime, think stolen vehicles or gun shop burglaries. The state recognized that without the SYO laws, kids were actually being utilized for specific crimes because there was likely not going to be any serious consequences if they were caught. 

13 hours ago, Randy Parker said:

Wholeheartedly agree.

That said, I would be curious to see how many of these kids involved in this behavior have both of their parents raising them at home, how many just have Mom, and how many have neither.

3 hours ago, TheDeuce said:

I hate to stereotype, but I'm going to assume the overwhelming majority are in a single parent household. 

20 minutes ago, Randy Parker said:

That is my assumption as well.

Yes I think the kids should be taken into custody/prosecuted for wrongdoing however I disagree on the parents being arrested.  Just because a kid gets involved in a fight or has some THC doesn't mean the parent(s) should be arrested.  In short, there is nothing proper/lawful to charge the parents with.  I also agree what will end up happening is the arrests would mostly be single females, many of which are minorities.  That would be nothing but a firestorm and it would get more people blaming the police, the system, the school, screaming racism, sexism, etc.

With all said, where I worked we had a curfew, essentially 11pm during the week and 1am on the weekends for anyone under 18.  We found that very few kids violated the curfew but we had a certain group of kids that violated the curfew again and again.  We ended up "charging" (certainly not arresting) their parents with some combination of a curfew violation/status offense for having a persistent incorrigible child.  The best way I can describe it is we made the parents show up for court on a Wednesday morning and emasculated them for failing to control their children.  It worked in our case but it was shaky legal ground and probably something that would never work on a large scale like would be needed in Jefferson County.  

I can’t help but think about what school was like when I went 50 years ago.  It is so sad to see how things have changed.  I know it is a complex problem, but I think the root of the problem lies in parenting.  Our parents supported teachers 100%.  If we were in trouble at school, we were in twice as much trouble at home.  My parents would never suggest that the teacher was lying about our bad behavior.  We were taught manners and respect. The idea that we would even need a police officer in the school would have been ridiculous.

6 hours ago, Beechwoodfan said:

I can’t help but think about what school was like when I went 50 years ago.  It is so sad to see how things have changed.  I know it is a complex problem, but I think the root of the problem lies in parenting.  Our parents supported teachers 100%.  If we were in trouble at school, we were in twice as much trouble at home.  My parents would never suggest that the teacher was lying about our bad behavior.  We were taught manners and respect. The idea that we would even need a police officer in the school would have been ridiculous.

I've long said that you should have to take an aptitude test before you can have kids and I'm kidding less and less each time I say it. Way too many kids growing up with grandma or grandpa taking on the role of Mom and Dad and those are the lucky ones. Also a lot of parent relying on the police and or school systems to parent their children, it's pathetic. 

12 hours ago, sportsfan41 said:

I've long said that you should have to take an aptitude test before you can have kids and I'm kidding less and less each time I say it. Way too many kids growing up with grandma or grandpa taking on the role of Mom and Dad and those are the lucky ones. Also a lot of parent relying on the police and or school systems to parent their children, it's pathetic. 

When I was a kid, I would have preferred facing a police officer over my mom any day!

20 hours ago, Beechwoodfan said:

I can’t help but think about what school was like when I went 50 years ago.  It is so sad to see how things have changed.  I know it is a complex problem, but I think the root of the problem lies in parenting.  Our parents supported teachers 100%.  If we were in trouble at school, we were in twice as much trouble at home.  My parents would never suggest that the teacher was lying about our bad behavior.  We were taught manners and respect. The idea that we would even need a police officer in the school would have been ridiculous.

Parenting is definitely a big part of it, but the root of it is the socioeconomic problems that create broken homes in the first place. 

5 hours ago, Beechwoodfan said:

When I was a kid, I would have preferred facing a police officer over my mom any day!

You and me both!

6 hours ago, TheDeuce said:

Parenting is definitely a big part of it, but the root of it is the socioeconomic problems that create broken homes in the first place. 

Across the Midwest the opiate epidemic certainly plays a part in it. But so does simply being irresponsible and a bad parent. I remember once upon a time I was shocked to see people making the same "young and dumb" mistakes that I associated with people in their late teens and twenties. After a while I started to realize that some people just never grow up, never mature and never want to be a productive member in society. And far too often, those same people have kids and sadly, they often have multiple kids.

 

I've been told by many parents that their kids are better off without them but I think that's because they also don't see what not being around is truly doing to their kids. 

6 hours ago, TheDeuce said:

Parenting is definitely a big part of it, but the root of it is the socioeconomic problems that create broken homes in the first place. 

Agree.

Most of the issues in our society are in large part a result of the breakdown of the family unit.

On 2/12/2025 at 12:06 PM, ChickenWyngz said:

 

If the state cared, they would take this decision out of the school's hands. If a kid is found with drugs at a school event or on grounds, they're arrested... period. Extreme punishments for covering it up. Figure out what the real numbers are and address it accordingly. 

Over the years, when my Principal would be out of the building, they would put me in charge for the day. One day, caught a kid w/ marijuana. I got out the student handbook, found the punishment, and that is exactly what we did. 

The Superintendent, found me, very angry. He said, "What are you doing?! People will think we have a drug problem!" 

Also, this incident was the 20th century...the "good old days".