20 hours ago, Just Truth said:

Out of state games do not explain Barren County over Male. The simple fact that it can produce this absurd a result should tell us that the system has major flaws.

But you're ignoring the first part of my post.

 

It isn't fair to judge the RPI this early in the season. If KHSAA would wait 3-4 more weeks until they release their initial RPI results then there wouldn't be this kind of strong reaction. In 3-4 weeks, that ranking will look completely different and much more accurate (outside of teams who have played out of state games). 

1 hour ago, BlueRaider said:

But you're ignoring the first part of my post.

 

It isn't fair to judge the RPI this early in the season. If KHSAA would wait 3-4 more weeks until they release their initial RPI results then there wouldn't be this kind of strong reaction. In 3-4 weeks, that ranking will look completely different and much more accurate (outside of teams who have played out of state games). 

Rankins should not need disclaimers.

1 hour ago, Rock85 said:

Rankins should not need disclaimers.

If a student has four grades - 100, 100, 100, and a 0, are they a C student? After 7 games, if they have six 100s and a 0, are they a B student? That's what the math says, although after seven grades it appears to be a much more accurate grade of the student. Bottom line, the more data the better the ranking. If the RPI came out for the first time after Week 7, it might not be perfect, but it would be a lot closer to reality than it is today.

2 minutes ago, gchs_uk9 said:

If a student has four grades - 100, 100, 100, and a 0, are they a C student? After 7 games, if they have six 100s and a 0, are they a B student? That's what the math says, although after seven grades it appears to be a much more accurate grade of the student. Bottom line, the more data the better the ranking. If the RPI came out for the first time after Week 7, it might not be perfect, but it would be a lot closer to reality than it is today.

More data doesn't make things better if the data is bad. The way out of state games are handled is bad.

1 minute ago, Rock85 said:

More data doesn't make things better if the data is bad. The way out of state games are handled is bad.

Agreed. That was said. That is the major issue that needs to be fixed with RPI.

 

OUTSIDE of that- it is not fair to judge the RPI... yet.

 

We must wait for a few more weeks before we all start complaining about the rankings. EXCEPT for teams who play out of state games... They get screwed. That MUST be fixed by the KHSAA if we are to continue using RPI. 

33 minutes ago, BlueRaider said:

Agreed. That was said. That is the major issue that needs to be fixed with RPI.

 

OUTSIDE of that- it is not fair to judge the RPI... yet.

 

We must wait for a few more weeks before we all start complaining about the rankings. EXCEPT for teams who play out of state games... They get screwed. That MUST be fixed by the KHSAA if we are to continue using RPI. 

We have seen KHSAA RPI enough the past couple years to know it has flaws that go beyond out of state opponents.

On 9/18/2024 at 2:08 PM, Voice of Reason said:

We have seen KHSAA RPI enough the past couple years to know it has flaws that go beyond out of state opponents.

The class factor needs to be scrapped plus correct the out of state opponents issue.

After yesterday’s results, Trinity is now the #1 team in the western “half” of our Commonwealth in 6A. Riherds does not show this information. You must go to KHSAA/Regular season Football for current RPI information. You should find Ryle and Manual as 1 &. 2 in 6A. Per Douglass coach, Trinity’s district is in the West when playing Male’s district this November. 

1	Ryle	6A	6	4	-	1			5	.70541	.93809	.55856	.74279
2	DuPont Manual	6A	3	5	-	0			5	1.00000	.57540	.54105	.71371
3	Trinity (Louisville)	6A	5	4	-	1			5	.80000	.62682	.59860	.67897
4	Barren County	6A	2	5	-	0			5	.79707	.63816	.52012	.65837
5	Frederick Douglass	6A	8	3	-	2			5	.60000	.82485	.49262	.64648
6	Male	6A	4	3	-	1			4	.75000	.45063	.51333	.57422
7	Henderson County	6A	1	2	-	3			5	.40000	.81739	.47388	.56825
8	Great Crossing	6A	6	4	-	1			5	.73150	.38098	.58456	.56474
9	Oldham County	6A	5	4	-	1			5	.80000	.37487	.50840	.56372
10	Madison Central	6A	8	3	-	1			4	.71739	.34901	.58553	.54890
11	Bryan Station	6A	8	2	-	3			5	.40000	.69630	.51851	.53926
12	Campbell County	6A	6	2	-	3			5	.29947	.83433	.45705	.53395
13	St. Xavier	6A	3	2	-	2			4	.50000	.58880	.50098	.53138
14	Bullitt East	6A	4	4	-	1			5	.77391	.37698	.41543	.52744
15	Simon Kenton	6A	6	2	-	3			5	.40000	.64608	.49553	.51479
16	Meade County	6A	3	3	-	2			5	.60000	.22362	.63985	.48022
17	Lafayette	6A	7	2	-	3			5	.37391	.54748	.50476	.47391
18	North Hardin	6A	2	3	-	2			5	.60000	.31185	.50357	.47022
19	George Rogers Clark	6A	8	3	-	2			5	.60000	.24127	.55373	.46056
20	Tates Creek	6A	7	2	-	3			5	.40000	.44187	.54735	.45886
21	Ballard	6A	5	2	-	3			5	.40000	.50849	.45781	.45531
22	McCracken County	6A	1	2	-	3			5	.22872	.61792	.50623	.44819
23	Fern Creek	6A	4	2	-	3			5	.40000	.48649	.39266	.42807
24	Warren Central	6A	2	2	-	3			5	.33150	.44055	.48357	.41529
25	Daviess County	6A	1	0	-	5			5	.00000	.65577	.45472	.36594
26	Paul Laurence Dunbar	6A	7	1	-	4			5	.15120	.48851	.45669	.36090
27	Eastern	6A	5	2	-	3			5	.40000	.26331	.42849	.36070
28	Southern	6A	4	1	-	3			4	.21739	.40868	.40093	.33940
29	Christian County	6A	1	0	-	4			4	.00000	.59425	.42889	.33666
30	Central Hardin	6A	2	0	-	5			5	.00000	.54961	.46360	.33144
31	Pleasure Ridge Park	6A	3	1	-	4			5	.20000	.36543	.40743	.32013
32	Henry Clay	6A	7	0	-	5			5	.00000	.54996	.39672	.31150

Teams are sorted in order of RPI. Not sure why Jenkins listed in 6A though.

9 minutes ago, Tigerpride94 said:

Teams are sorted in order of RPI. Not sure why Jenkins listed in 6A though.

For whatever reason, that whole district is in the 6A RPI (Jenkins, Phelps, Morgan County & Jackson County) and has been for a couple of weeks now.  I guess nobody at the KHSAA is paying much attention to it.  It really does show how crazy the RPI is however, with both Phelps & Jackson County ranked in the top 1/2 of 6A.

1	Ryle	6A	6	4	-	1			5	.70541	.93130	.55375	.73898
2	DuPont Manual	6A	3	5	-	1			6	.83333	.63211	.53097	.67220
3	Frederick Douglass	6A	8	3	-	2			5	.60000	.74197	.52993	.62867
4	Trinity (Louisville)	6A	5	4	-	2			6	.66667	.59323	.59161	.61844
5	Barren County	6A	2	6	-	0			6	.75952	.57377	.49374	.61477
6	Madison Central	6A	8	4	-	1			5	.77391	.46948	.57018	.60624
7	St. Xavier	6A	3	3	-	2			5	.60000	.68229	.49941	.59862
8	Oldham County	6A	5	5	-	1			6	.81159	.38786	.59228	.59749
9	Male	6A	4	4	-	1			5	.80000	.43366	.51721	.58694
10	North Hardin	6A	2	4	-	2			6	.66667	.46789	.55742	.56432
11	Henderson County	6A	1	2	-	4			6	.33333	.79808	.49715	.54514
12	Great Crossing	6A	6	4	-	2			6	.60959	.44099	.55498	.53419
13	Bryan Station	6A	8	2	-	3			5	.40000	.67053	.48728	.52087
14	Simon Kenton	6A	6	2	-	3			5	.40000	.68353	.45934	.51704
15	Bullitt East	6A	4	4	-	2			6	.64492	.43100	.43388	.50674
16	Meade County	6A	3	4	-	2			6	.62600	.30706	.59517	.50512
17	McCracken County	6A	1	2	-	4			6	.19060	.75777	.51276	.48576
18	Campbell County	6A	6	2	-	4			6	.24956	.70557	.48517	.47985
19	Lafayette	6A	7	3	-	3			6	.45652	.48611	.46698	.47001
20	Tates Creek	6A	7	2	-	3			5	.40000	.46739	.54504	.46710
21	Ballard	6A	5	2	-	3			5	.40000	.50056	.47331	.45719
22	Fern Creek	6A	4	2	-	3			5	.40000	.50179	.42814	.44407
23	George Rogers Clark	6A	8	3	-	3			6	.50000	.27568	.55683	.43854
24	Daviess County	6A	1	1	-	5			6	.16667	.63421	.48232	.42500
25	Warren Central	6A	2	2	-	4			6	.27625	.39869	.50446	.38757
26	Eastern	6A	5	2	-	3			5	.40000	.27404	.45842	.37344
27	Pleasure Ridge Park	6A	3	1	-	5			6	.16667	.46020	.44891	.35408
28	Paul Laurence Dunbar	6A	7	1	-	4			5	.15120	.46660	.44700	.35033
29	Central Hardin	6A	2	0	-	6			6	.00000	.51972	.47224	.32357
30	Christian County	6A	1	0	-	5			5	.00000	.55670	.42529	.32243
31	Henry Clay	6A	7	0	-	5			5	.00000	.54500	.40269	.31156
32	Southern	6A	4	1	-	4			5	.17391	.39584	.34148	.30186

1	DuPont Manual	6A	3	5	-	1			6	.83333	.66246	.51941	.67935
2	Ryle	6A	6	4	-	2			6	.58784	.84643	.58343	.67703
3	St. Xavier	6A	3	4	-	2			6	.66667	.69217	.56532	.64519
4	Trinity (Louisville)	6A	5	5	-	2			7	.71429	.59462	.57223	.62979
5	Madison Central	6A	8	5	-	1			6	.78985	.49404	.58691	.62543
6	Male	6A	4	5	-	1			6	.83333	.45453	.57126	.62213
7	Oldham County	6A	5	5	-	1			6	.81159	.39907	.59648	.60267
8	Frederick Douglass	6A	8	3	-	3			6	.50000	.76500	.51565	.59745
9	North Hardin	6A	2	5	-	2			7	.71429	.52569	.53646	.59493
10	Barren County	6A	2	6	-	1			7	.65102	.52577	.48629	.55776
11	Henderson County	6A	1	2	-	4			6	.33333	.81949	.49622	.55236
12	Great Crossing	6A	6	4	-	2			6	.60959	.47664	.57062	.55136
13	Simon Kenton	6A	6	3	-	3			6	.50000	.62190	.49627	.54155
14	Bullitt East	6A	4	4	-	2			6	.64492	.44733	.46991	.52326
15	Bryan Station	6A	8	3	-	3			6	.50000	.56211	.49787	.52110
16	Meade County	6A	3	4	-	2			6	.62600	.32255	.59370	.51010
17	Campbell County	6A	6	2	-	4			6	.24956	.74106	.47680	.48976
18	McCracken County	6A	1	2	-	4			6	.19060	.71291	.54789	.48059
19	Lafayette	6A	7	3	-	3			6	.45652	.52061	.46013	.48003
20	Tates Creek	6A	7	2	-	3			5	.40000	.49033	.53796	.47300
21	Fern Creek	6A	4	3	-	3			6	.42863	.54433	.41213	.46418
22	Ballard	6A	5	2	-	4			6	.33333	.50246	.48892	.43920
23	George Rogers Clark	6A	8	3	-	3			6	.50000	.28160	.55197	.43915
24	Daviess County	6A	1	1	-	5			6	.16667	.65303	.47320	.42885
25	Eastern	6A	5	3	-	3			6	.47826	.26118	.50876	.41143
26	Southern	6A	4	2	-	4			6	.31159	.40948	.39026	.36945
27	Pleasure Ridge Park	6A	3	1	-	5			6	.16667	.47313	.47347	.36597
28	Central Hardin	6A	2	1	-	6			7	.14286	.49086	.46493	.36128
29	Warren Central	6A	2	2	-	5			7	.23679	.35621	.49919	.35730
30	Christian County	6A	1	0	-	6			6	.00000	.60356	.42610	.33907
31	Paul Laurence Dunbar	6A	7	1	-	4			5	.15120	.39340	.46878	.33125
32	Henry Clay	6A	7	0	-	6			6	.00000	.54263	.45042	.32505

Hey at least if Douglass goes to Madison Central and wins it should help their RPI since they 5th in the state.