1	Ryle	6A	6	3	-	1			4	.71739	.94083	.49508	.72890
2	Barren County	6A	2	4	-	0			4	.83195	.67810	.51010	.68155
3	DuPont Manual	6A	3	4	-	0			4	1.00000	.41093	.52518	.65138
4	Bullitt East	6A	4	4	-	0			4	.96739	.43476	.49126	.63813
5	Male	6A	4	3	-	0			3	1.00000	.38736	.50662	.63756
6	Madison Central	6A	8	3	-	0			3	.95652	.25377	.70067	.63380
7	Trinity (Louisville)	6A	5	3	-	1			4	.75000	.49443	.62163	.62204
8	Oldham County	6A	5	4	-	0			4	1.00000	.24075	.56314	.60321
9	St. Xavier	6A	3	2	-	1			3	.66667	.62873	.46687	.59345
10	Frederick Douglass	6A	8	2	-	2			4	.50000	.80642	.44262	.59003
11	Great Crossing	6A	6	4	-	0			4	.91438	.08333	.80080	.58944
12	Simon Kenton	6A	6	2	-	2			4	.50000	.74666	.50874	.58895
13	George Rogers Clark	6A	8	3	-	1			4	.75000	.26487	.63793	.54658
14	Henderson County	6A	1	2	-	2			4	.50000	.66973	.45698	.54650
15	Campbell County	6A	6	1	-	3			4	.25000	.87123	.40592	.51421
16	Tates Creek	6A	7	2	-	2			4	.50000	.41095	.59539	.49745
17	Bryan Station	6A	8	1	-	3			4	.25000	.65888	.49497	.46660
18	McCracken County	6A	1	1	-	3			4	.14295	.66677	.58509	.45893
19	North Hardin	6A	2	2	-	2			4	.50000	.38449	.48110	.45390
20	Meade County	6A	3	2	-	2			4	.50000	.28937	.58475	.45171
21	Warren Central	6A	2	2	-	2			4	.41438	.44298	.41889	.42574
22	Ballard	6A	5	1	-	3			4	.25000	.56866	.43781	.41787
23	Lafayette	6A	7	1	-	3			4	.25000	.51438	.48807	.41395
24	Fern Creek	6A	4	1	-	3			4	.25000	.54001	.39869	.39611
25	Eastern	6A	5	2	-	2			4	.50000	.29392	.35212	.38351
26	Paul Laurence Dunbar	6A	7	1	-	3			4	.18900	.45507	.50181	.37597
27	Henry Clay	6A	7	0	-	4			4	.00000	.82076	.25900	.36497
28	Daviess County	6A	1	0	-	4			4	.00000	.57938	.53793	.36416
29	Pleasure Ridge Park	6A	3	1	-	3			4	.25000	.32737	.45912	.33981
30	Central Hardin	6A	2	0	-	4			4	.00000	.49771	.40873	.29682
31	Christian County	6A	1	0	-	3			3	.00000	.44497	.41589	.28051
32	Southern	6A	4	0	-	3			3	.00000	.46985	.33673	.26547

These lost me when saw Barren County #2.

34 minutes ago, Tigerpride94 said:

These lost me when saw Barren County #2.

If #29 PRP played #2 Barren County today, wonder who would win?

1 hour ago, Tigerpride94 said:

These lost me when saw Barren County #2.

They lost me when you have teams who are undefeated have a winning percentage less than 1.000%.  I guess it all shakes out in the end.

50 minutes ago, Unrivaled97 said:

They lost me when you have teams who are undefeated have a winning percentage less than 1.000%.  I guess it all shakes out in the end.

It could shake out better at the end if tweaked formula or just adopt Calpreps for seeding.

When winning 4 games against this schedule gets a 6A school the #2 rating in the system that actually determines the playoff seedings, then something must be done!

According to the very RPI rating system that vaulted Barren to the #2 spot in 6A, the teams they beat are #'s 16 & 18 four classes below, #25 three classes below & #10 two classes below.

That math just ain't mathing. 

1 hour ago, Unrivaled97 said:

They lost me when you have teams who are undefeated have a winning percentage less than 1.000%.  I guess it all shakes out in the end.

Same system that has another team with a 163.4% winning % 4 games into the season.

Same system that counts games against Cincinnati St X, Center Grove IN, and St Edward OH as lesser opponents than the current #20 Class A school in Kentucky.

2 hours ago, BluegrassFootballFan said:

When winning 4 games against this schedule gets a 6A school the #2 rating in the system that actually determines the playoff seedings, then something must be done!

According to the very RPI rating system that vaulted Barren to the #2 spot in 6A, the teams they beat are #'s 16 & 18 four classes below, #25 three classes below & #10 two classes below.

That math just ain't mathing.

While I know what you mean, just to clarify, it doesn't determine playoff seedings. Those are based on district games in the regular season. It does determine pairings and home-field advantage in the third and fourth round. I highly doubt Barren County is playing at that point - and the RPI will likely have changed at that point as well. However, the math formula is definitely a bit wonky.

Just use Calpreps.

24 minutes ago, Just Truth said:

Just use Calpreps.

Have heard multiple times over the years that Calpreps should be used.  Can anyone give a brief overview to their methodology or is it basically subjective?  Obvious that KHSAA with RPI has tried to take the subjectivity out.  But the complexities of expanding OP and OOP calculations to non-Ky opponents becomes too complex.

I think we go through this same conversation every year when it is first released. It could all be avoided if KHSAA waited until week 6-8 to even start to release the RPI. It will change significantly by the end of the season. 

 

I still believe the only issue is the out of state games. If we fix that, it should be pretty accurate. 

1 hour ago, Oldercoach said:

Have heard multiple times over the years that Calpreps should be used.  Can anyone give a brief overview to their methodology or is it basically subjective?  Obvious that KHSAA with RPI has tried to take the subjectivity out.  But the complexities of expanding OP and OOP calculations to non-Ky opponents becomes too complex.

Not exactly sure of their methodology, but here is a link to how Calpreps' ratings work:

https://calpreps.com/ratings.htm

 

And for the sake of this discussion, here are the rankings this week. RPI on the left, Calpreps on the right. I think you can guess which one is more accurate (although 6A RPI is probably as close to correct as any class this week).

1. Ryle --- TRINITY
2. Barren County --- MALE
3. Manual --- ST. XAVIER
4. Bullitt East --- MANUAL
5. Male --- FREDERICK DOUGLASS
6. Madison Central --- RYLE
7. Trinity --- BRYAN STATION
8. Oldham County --- GREAT CROSSING
9. St. Xavier --- MADISON CENTRAL
10. Frederick Douglass --- BALLARD

1 hour ago, gchs_uk9 said:

Not exactly sure of their methodology, but here is a link to how Calpreps' ratings work:

https://calpreps.com/ratings.htm

 

And for the sake of this discussion, here are the rankings this week. RPI on the left, Calpreps on the right. I think you can guess which one is more accurate (although 6A RPI is probably as close to correct as any class this week).

1. Ryle --- TRINITY
2. Barren County --- MALE
3. Manual --- ST. XAVIER
4. Bullitt East --- MANUAL
5. Male --- FREDERICK DOUGLASS
6. Madison Central --- RYLE
7. Trinity --- BRYAN STATION
8. Oldham County --- GREAT CROSSING
9. St. Xavier --- MADISON CENTRAL
10. Frederick Douglass --- BALLARD

Thanks very much.  My first read gave me pause.  This 78 year old brain needs a few more passes before I will pretend to grasp it.  But, it is apparent that there is no subjectivity in the calculations which is very good.

I would welcome the opportunity to see Trinity travel to Glasgow in round three of the playoffs. ?

5 hours ago, BlueRaider said:

I think we go through this same conversation every year when it is first released. It could all be avoided if KHSAA waited until week 6-8 to even start to release the RPI. It will change significantly by the end of the season. 

 

I still believe the only issue is the out of state games. If we fix that, it should be pretty accurate. 

Out of state games do not explain Barren County over Male. The simple fact that it can produce this absurd a result should tell us that the system has major flaws.