20 hours ago, Breds82 said:

I’ll ask again. Does anyone know what kind of coach he is, more offense or defense? Does he like to call plays on one side of the ball? 

At his previous head coaching stops, he called both and at his two different stints at Moeller he was once the DC and then later the OC.  He is an offensive lineman by trade, and because Offense is harder to call, my guess is he calls plays and finds a DC.  At the end of the day it doesn't really matter, Tim knows ball.  He will adapt to the staff he has.  If he can find a DC he will call O.  If he can find an OC then he will call D.  Like most small schools, size will be an issue.  So I am assuming he's going to spread you out like Beechwood and then have a lot of different pressure packages and movement on D.  

18 minutes ago, James Graham said:

At his previous head coaching stops, he called both and at his two different stints at Moeller he was once the DC and then later the OC.  He is an offensive lineman by trade, and because Offense is harder to call, my guess is he calls plays and finds a DC.  At the end of the day it doesn't really matter, Tim knows ball.  He will adapt to the staff he has.  If he can find a DC he will call O.  If he can find an OC then he will call D.  Like most small schools, size will be an issue.  So I am assuming he's going to spread you out like Beechwood and then have a lot of different pressure packages and movement on D.  

I think some form of the above is correct, I believe Coach Odom will adapt to his talent with an eye on a Pro Set as the program progresses. 

Thanks. I’m very interested what this will do to some players from surrounding schools (not huge numbers in my opinion) that could be talented enough to tip a teams good fortunes one way or another. St Henry is the new shiny toy and some kids that would go to surrounding schools but may choose other wise because they feel they have a better chance of PT at a new school?

5 minutes ago, Breds82 said:

Thanks. I’m very interested what this will do to some players from surrounding schools (not huge numbers in my opinion) that could be talented enough to tip a teams good fortunes one way or another. St Henry is the new shiny toy and some kids that would go to surrounding schools but may choose other wise because they feel they have a better chance of PT at a new school?

I would think if you can walk and chew bubble gum you will be able to start for St. Henry in year one. 

As a high schooler, Tim famously went over and played at Moeller in the era when Ohio still allowed students who lived out of state to participate in athletics. Then in '78 or '79 the OHSAA created a new bylaw, nicknamed "the Moeller rule" because of the national powerhouse status Moeller football had earned, largely as a result of Gerry Faust getting the top athletes from NKY to add to his Ohio athletes. There was a lawsuit filed by the parents of some NKY students attending Moeller and St. X, and it made its way all the way up to Federal Appeals Court before the new bylaw was finally upheld. Tim's name made its way into the court proceedings several times since he was a Kentuckian who made the All-American team as an Ohio player. As a result, Tim's younger brother Steve wound up going to Dixie where he played baseball and football.

Tim coached wrestling at Dixie and was also the linebacker coach and defensive coordinator at Dixie under Bob Burnett. He was the position coach for his brother Steve, who graduated in '90 and headed off to WVU on a football scholarship. Tim left at the same time to take over as head coach at Simon Kenton. Simon Kenton struggled while he was there, still losing by 5 and 6 touchdowns whenever they played good opponents like Highlands, Dixie and CovCath. His goal was always to end up coaching in Ohio so left there to become head coach at Glen Este. Glen Este perennially had bad problems with discipline and Tim struggled to get that turned around so he left after a year to be defensive coordinator at Moeller under Steve Klonne, and made no secrets that he had his eyes on succeeding Klonne as head coach. Odom was moved to offensive coordinator after a season or two. I want to say he left either when Moeller dismissed Coach Klonne, or else he was not kept on by Coach Crable when he replaced Klonne. Odom resurfaced at Lakota West as a defensive line coach when his son Jake was playing there. Jake got a scholarship to Eastern Illinois but ended up playing at Georgetown College, and has been an assistant at Lafayette in Lexington for the last couple of years. I'm not sure whether or not Jake is interested to relocate his family up to NKY to join dad at St. Henry.

As a coach, Tim has a definite reputation for being somewhat abrasive. Basically everyone I know who coached either for or against him has said at some point or another that they found him to be kind of a difficult personality to handle. Hopefully he has mellowed with age, but I've also found that many people's personalities can seem to distill down with age and turn them into more potent versions of what they were in younger days. Hopefully with Tim, it's the former and not the latter.

15 minutes ago, Cincinnati Cobra said:

As a high schooler, Tim famously went over and played at Moeller in the era when Ohio still allowed students who lived out of state to participate in athletics. Then in '78 or '79 the OHSAA created a new bylaw, nicknamed "the Moeller rule" because of the national powerhouse status Moeller football had earned, largely as a result of Gerry Faust getting the top athletes from NKY to add to his Ohio athletes. There was a lawsuit filed by the parents of some NKY students attending Moeller and St. X, and it made its way all the way up to Federal Appeals Court before the new bylaw was finally upheld. Tim's name made its way into the court proceedings several times since he was a Kentuckian who made the All-American team as an Ohio player. As a result, Tim's younger brother Steve wound up going to Dixie where he played baseball and football.

Tim coached wrestling at Dixie and was also the linebacker coach and defensive coordinator at Dixie under Bob Burnett. He was the position coach for his brother Steve, who graduated in '90 and headed off to WVU on a football scholarship. Tim left at the same time to take over as head coach at Simon Kenton. Simon Kenton struggled while he was there, still losing by 5 and 6 touchdowns whenever they played good opponents like Highlands, Dixie and CovCath. His goal was always to end up coaching in Ohio so left there to become head coach at Glen Este. Glen Este perennially had bad problems with discipline and Tim struggled to get that turned around so he left after a year to be defensive coordinator at Moeller under Steve Klonne, and made no secrets that he had his eyes on succeeding Klonne as head coach. Odom was moved to offensive coordinator after a season or two. I want to say he left either when Moeller dismissed Coach Klonne, or else he was not kept on by Coach Crable when he replaced Klonne. Odom resurfaced at Lakota West as a defensive line coach when his son Jake was playing there. Jake got a scholarship to Eastern Illinois but ended up playing at Georgetown College, and has been an assistant at Lafayette in Lexington for the last couple of years. I'm not sure whether or not Jake is interested to relocate his family up to NKY to join dad at St. Henry.

As a coach, Tim has a definite reputation for being somewhat abrasive. Basically everyone I know who coached either for or against him has said at some point or another that they found him to be kind of a difficult personality to handle. Hopefully he has mellowed with age, but I've also found that many people's personalities can seem to distill down with age and turn them into more potent versions of what they were in younger days. Hopefully with Tim, it's the former and not the latter.

Well then! Somebody just dropped a knowledge bomb. Sheesh...welcome to BluegrassPreps @Cincinnati Cobra!

Any surprise that Brannen hit a home run with this? 

Man, how fun would it be to release that list of names that applied? ?

 

From what I was told after the hire Cincinnati Cobra hit the mail on the head, my way or the highway kind of guy and very very abrasive. That’s fine if you can win, if not then watch out.

And why is it a homerun hire? He’s bounced around a lot, with little success as a HC. Maybe this will be a good fit for him and St Henry, but all new programs struggle. 

4 minutes ago, Breds82 said:

From what I was told after the hire Cincinnati Cobra hit the mail on the head, my way or the highway kind of guy and very very abrasive. That’s fine if you can win, if not then watch out.

And why is it a homerun hire? He’s bounced around a lot, with little success as a HC. Maybe this will be a good fit for him and St Henry, but all new programs struggle. 

You were told correctly then. From what I've seen and heard about things at Holy Cross and Brossart, it sounds like there is always an over-abundance of opinions about how things need to be done in order to get a new football program up and off the ground. I could see that developing into a problem for Tim if the opinions of the movers and shakers within the St. Henry community and administration don't align with his own. I would assume all of that was discussed at length between the administrators and Tim prior to his hiring, but if things don't go as planned or if there is any major personnel change among the school administrators, I can see some potential for major friction.

Most guys who played football or baseball at Dixie in the mid to late 80's will tell you, the Odom's are about the Odom's. 

16 hours ago, Luke Warmwater said:

Most guys who played football or baseball at Dixie in the mid to late 80's will tell you, the Odom's are about the Odom's. 

Haha and a lot of guys who have known them otherwise will join in on telling you too.

On 1/5/2024 at 2:19 PM, 98NCCalum said:

Any surprise that Brannen hit a home run with this? 

Did he?  I'm not saying he didn't, but I think to say that he did would be wildly premature.  

What is best case scenario here?  What did Brossart do on the varsity level in their first 3 seasons?  That doable at SHDHS?  Could it be better?

I hear about all of there rumblings that players that would have gone to CovCath from Boone County will now go to St. Henry, but I will believe it when I see it happen.  You want to go be a big fish in a puddle (initially, for sure) or play and develop in a large program and play meaningful games?  

Will be interesting, to be sure, over the next few seasons.  

6 minutes ago, The Double Deuce said:

Did he?  I'm not saying he didn't, but I think to say that he did would be wildly premature.  

What is best case scenario here?  What did Brossart do on the varsity level in their first 3 seasons?  That doable at SHDHS?  Could it be better?

I hear about all of there rumblings that players that would have gone to CovCath from Boone County will now go to St. Henry, but I will believe it when I see it happen.  You want to go be a big fish in a puddle (initially, for sure) or play and develop in a large program and play meaningful games?  

Will be interesting, to be sure, over the next few seasons.  

Didn't Brossart make the playoffs their 2nd or 3rd year? Or something along those lines?

10 minutes ago, The Double Deuce said:

Did he?  I'm not saying he didn't, but I think to say that he did would be wildly premature.  

What is best case scenario here?  What did Brossart do on the varsity level in their first 3 seasons?  That doable at SHDHS?  Could it be better?

I hear about all of there rumblings that players that would have gone to CovCath from Boone County will now go to St. Henry, but I will believe it when I see it happen.  You want to go be a big fish in a puddle (initially, for sure) or play and develop in a large program and play meaningful games?  

Will be interesting, to be sure, over the next few seasons.  

Looking at this hire I think it is at least a stand-up double.

On 1/8/2024 at 2:52 PM, The Double Deuce said:

Did he?  I'm not saying he didn't, but I think to say that he did would be wildly premature.  

What is best case scenario here?  What did Brossart do on the varsity level in their first 3 seasons?  That doable at SHDHS?  Could it be better?

I hear about all of there rumblings that players that would have gone to CovCath from Boone County will now go to St. Henry, but I will believe it when I see it happen.  You want to go be a big fish in a puddle (initially, for sure) or play and develop in a large program and play meaningful games?  

Will be interesting, to be sure, over the next few seasons.  

The number of players living in Boone County and playing at CovCath seems like it has been somewhat of a constant over the years, despite Boone County opening up two new schools that have shown their own major athletic successes. Ryle and Cooper have both made appearances in the football state finals, and Cooper actually became a big player in football and basketball, both, in an awfully short window of time.

St. Henry is jumping in the football pool after watching everyone take the plunge years ahead of them. That seems like it may leave them playing the little brother role for a long while. I'm not positive of past districts, but NewCath and Beechwood have been obvious obstacles for Brossart, present and past, to make a deep stab into the postseason. They have struggled at times against Newport and Ludlow's better teams as well. St. Henry will have to contend with Beechwood in district and in the playoffs, plus Walton-Verona which has a mix of strong years. Carroll County occasionally has had solid teams. Obviously Beechwood is going to be a major obstacle for St. Henry to ever get a district title with Beechwood competing at a level that keeps them contending and even notching occasional wins against CovCath. I would guess they will also have some battles with Walton-Verona, and with the likes of NewCath, Ludlow and Newport if they schedule that crowd in the first few years out of the gate.

If you ask me, the likelihood of Beechwood being the the early playoff finale year in and year out for St. Henry's foreseeable future doesn't help them draw players. And looking at new teams drawing away players, Holy Cross and CovCath both have players coming from the same area in Independence, but Holy Cross in its 25 years of football is yet to really draw many football kids away from CovCath. I forsee things going the same route for St. Henry and their ability to draw football kids away.