12 hours ago, Unrivaled97 said:

I don't think any realignment is happening until the 2023 season.  If so, a lot can happen between then and now so too early to verify any movement.

If you look to the previous go-around for realignment, the KHSAA ought to be starting that discussion any day now.

Football alignments last for 4 years, and 2022 will be the final season for the current alignment. They release a first draft of the alignment, then schools have a couple of months to request to move up or down based on the terms allowed by the KHSAA for playing up/down in class before the Board Of Control reviews and finalizes the the final draft of the alignment. They will also sometimes release an interim realignment at the halfway point if there are any teams that have dropped out of KHSAA competition and in some cases if a team has newly started competing in KHSAA football.

Here are the releases of the current 2019-2022 alignment from the KHSAA:

Draft Alignment 2019-2022 (Released 02-21-2018)

BOC Approved Alignment of Teams 2019-2022 (Released 05-09-2018)

Updated Alignment of Teams 2021-2022 (Released 10-20-2020)

1 minute ago, Kanaka Kahakai said:

It's a private school Sir, they can do what ever they want. Let me ask you this, can you tell me any different?

Of course they can. You are saying they like to keep enrollment down, I'm simply questioning why that would be the case.

If that's just your opinion, that's fine. If you are implying that you know they are intentionally keeping enrollment down for the purposes of sports, that would be an interesting conversation and I think others would be interested in knowing why you think that. This is a message board, after all. 

9 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

You're inferring they are actively doing things to keep enrollment low. What are those things?

They are a private school, so if they want lower enrollment, there's nothing that says they can't keep enrollment low. However, I'm just about certain that their reasons for keeping lower enrollment, have nothing to do with athletics and where they are classed for football.

Just now, rjs4470 said:

They are a private school, so if they want lower enrollment, there's nothing that says they can't. However, I'm just about certain that their reasons for keeping lower enrollment, have nothing to do with athletics.

Agreed. I'm not debating that at all. 

3 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

Of course they can. You are saying they like to keep enrollment down, I'm simply questioning why that would be the case.

If that's just your opinion, that's fine. If you are implying that you know they are intentionally keeping enrollment down for the purposes of sports, that would be an interesting conversation and I think others would be interested in knowing why you think that. This is a message board, after all. 

THEY DO NOT WANT TO PLAY UP. Not because for athletics, they like their school to be small... teacher to student ratio, thus them staying in 1A and or 2A. 

1 hour ago, Kanaka Kahakai said:

LCA will stay at 2A, they like their enrollment low so they can compete in the lower class and ALL- A class (basketball). 

 

1 minute ago, Kanaka Kahakai said:

THEY DO NOT WANT TO PLAY UP. Not because for athletics, they like their school to be small... teacher to student ratio, thus them staying in 1A and or 2A. 

So which is it?

6 minutes ago, rjs4470 said:

They are a private school, so if they want lower enrollment, there's nothing that says they can't keep enrollment low. However, I'm just about certain that their reasons for keeping lower enrollment, have nothing to do with athletics and where they are classed for football.

100% on point.

Here are a couple of 2018 threads from the discussion regarding the current alignment:
 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

Here are a couple of 2018 threads from the discussion regarding the current alignment:
 

 

 

Just to confirm, KHSAA actually announce the upcoming alignment a year/ a season prior to the current one ending? Reason I asked because I see GC's comment in May 2018 stating approved alignment for 2019-2022, Thx.

51 minutes ago, DearToday said:

Lex Cath and Central will both drop 3A. Boyle has number to drop 3A but will probably stay 4. JC has 5A numbers but may be able to stay in 4A like they did last time if other teams elect to play up. 
 

JC’s situation is interesting. If you read from the last realignment on KHSAA, they elected to play up 6A. But when multiple teams played up from 4A to 5A they then put in to play down in 4A and KHSAA granted it. 

I don't believe that's accurate, DT.

The KHSAA only allows schools to play down if they are one of the three or four smallest schools in the alignment, (I don't recall the exact number of schools allowed to play down in class), AND if there is a school from the class below you petitioning to play up in class. I'm pretty sure it requires both of those factors to take place for a team to play down in class.

If you look at the school enrollment number info from the 2019-2022 realignment, Johnson Central was the third-smallest school in 5A, with both Logan County and Hopkinsville being smaller. However, when Western, Highlands, and West Jessamine all petitioned to move up from 4A to 5A, that gave Johnson Central the opportunity to move down to 4A, and they did.

You can verify that here with the KHSAA's Football Alignment 2019 Enrollment Numbers, and then by looking at the KHSAA's Draft Alignment 2019-2022, which lists all of the teams playing up in class in italics.

2 minutes ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

I don't believe that's accurate, DT.

The KHSAA only allows schools to play down if they are one of the three or four smallest schools in the alignment, (I don't recall the exact number of schools allowed to play down in class), AND if there is a school from the class below you petitioning to play up in class. I'm pretty sure it requires both of those factors to take place for a team to play down in class.

If you look at the school enrollment number info from the 2019-2022 realignment, Johnson Central was the third-smallest school in 5A, with both Logan County and Hopkinsville being smaller. However, when Western, Highlands, and West Jessamine all petitioned to move up from 4A to 5A, that gave Johnson Central the opportunity to move down to 4A, and they did.

You can verify that here with the KHSAA's Football Alignment 2019 Enrollment Numbers, and then by looking at the KHSAA's Draft Alignment 2019-2022, which lists all of the teams playing up in class in italics.

I thought it was a simple math formula, if teams are approved to play up then the team(s) in that higher class that are the lowest in enrollment are offered the chance to play down.

9 minutes ago, theguru said:

I thought it was a simple math formula, if teams are approved to play up then the team(s) in that higher class that are the lowest in enrollment are offered the chance to play down.

Correct. They offer the smallest teams in each class the opportunity to move down if/when there are schools from the class below petitioning to move up.

Here is the official memo regarding changes from the 2019-2022 Draft Alignment to the 2019-2022 Final Alignment Of Teams:

February 17, 2018

TO: Members of the Board of Control

FR: Commissioner Julian Tackett

RE: Football Alignment Work Since Last Meeting

PLAYING UP TO HIGHER CLASS
Following the January meeting, schools were given the option to play up to a higher class. The following schools chose to play into a higher class than the draft alignment would have had them placed.
• Withdrawal from District for the period - Fulton City
• 1A to 2A - Trimble County
• 3A to 4A - Boyle County, Central
• 4A to 5A - East Jessamine, Highlands, Western
• 5A to 6A - Barren County

OPTING DOWN TO LOWER CLASS DUE TO PLAYING UP
Based on these playing up declarations, and the revision in the number of teams needed for the classes, the same number of teams in the higher division were given an opportunity to come down to the next lowest class to keep the number of teams in the classes balanced.
• 1A - Bracken County elected to be placed in the draft alignment in 1A following Fulton City’s withdrawal. Betsy Layne elected to be placed in the draft alignment in 1A following Trimble County’s move
• 2A -Due to the multiple moves, the next lowest enrolled team was given the opportunity to move from 3A to 2A to ensure that the “extra” team in 2A through 5A was in the lowest class. Morgan County elected to be placed in the draft in Class 2A
• 3A - Ashland Blazer and Rockcastle County elected to be placed in the draft alignment in 3A
• 4A – Logan County, Hopkinsville and Johnson Central elected to be placed in the draft alignment in 4A
• 5A – Muhlenberg County elected to be placed in the draft alignment in 5A following Marshall County declining to be placed in the draft alignment in Class 5A

NOTE: It should be noted that both Logan County and Johnson Central had elected to play into a higher class had they not been in the schools that were eligible to drop due to others playing up. These requests were withdrawn when the playing up decisions allowed for them to be placed in a lower class.

ONGOING
The Commissioner has reached out to administrators at West Carter and Bath County with concerns and possible alternatives within the alignment. Ideally, if an alternative is feasible, it would be nice to have that as a part of the draft that is distributed, rather than a part of the amendments in May. The situation is fairly evident on the 3A and 2A maps and will be detailed at the meeting.

Following initial review, Bath County would prefer to remain in the enrollment class, placed in a geographic district. West Carter has requested to play in to a higher class in geographic proximity to Lewis County if possible. Both (and all schools) will have an option for feedback following draft distribution.

OTHER NOTES AND REQUESTS
Requests for placement in lower class despite enrollment-
• Bourbon County - We wish to be classified as a 3A school. We must count males that are placed in Stoner Creek Behavioral Center. If we do not count these, it would change our numbers annually by 5-10 male students.
• Bryan Station - We would like to go down a division from 6A to 5A based on updated school enrollment and trend of male enrollments since the addition of a new school in our district. Our enrollment has decreased by almost 400 students and male enrollments are in line with 5A schools, with District expectations for the school to decrease further.
• Fort Campbell - With the constant decline in the enrollment numbers we are getting less players for football and would like the KHSAA Board of Control to take this in consideration with the alignment of classification. We would request to be looked at for dropping to 1A this school year we are at a second month total enrollment of 430 and Fort Knox is at 390 and they are classified as 1A.
• Nelson County - We need to be put in a lower classification

GENERAL COMMENTARY
• Breckinridge County - Breckinridge County High School would like to be considered for a district in the central time zone. We feel this benefits the students of Breckinridge County as well as our opponents from the eastern time zone.
• Casey County - We have been pleased with our district alignment being in the southeast part of the state as it has traditionally been.
• Christian County - Our School male enrollment has dropped the last 2 years because of redistricting. This trend will continue based on the most recent census/local data and relocation of the counties population to the southern portion of Christian County. Therefore, we would like to be considered as one of the teams in this area to be reassigned to a 4A classification. In addition, as our numbers regress so do our available funds. With the current outlook/projections for the farthest, west 5A district, it appears that travel and expenses related to travel
will increase. Please feel free to contact us or our district office if you have further questions about our decline in enrollment. We would also like it noted that our male enrollment is similar to Hopkinsville High School, since our recent redistricting. Both school's male enrollments are within less than 100 students. Thank you for your time and allowing us a chance to voice our concerns.
• East Carter - We are willing to play up into 4A if another team is needed for the Ashland, Boyd, Rowan district. We are also willing to drive to Magoffin, Morgan, Powell if that district would work. We do not want to be in a six or seven team district, if possible.
• Harlan County – Wanting make sure the enrollment numbers that classify us as 4A keep us in 4A for travel purposes, preferably in a district with Clay County, Perry Central, and Letcher Central. We are currently 9th largest 4A school by the numbers and just wanting to make sure that is where we stay. Thanks!
• Middlesboro - We wish to play in a Class 3A district -If and only if we are not placed in a district primarily composed of eastern Kentucky or mountain teams. We wish to play up if and only if we remain in the current district with Somerset/LCA/Danville.
• Oldham County - We would request to be placed in a district in Lexington so that we can form two four team districts in Lexington.
• Pulaski County – Please give strong consideration to travel distances when dividing districts.
• Somerset - Somerset would like to stay in AA if it is placed in the East; otherwise, we would entertain moving up to AAA. Again, if we can be placed in the East!
• South Laurel – If we are placed in 5A District 7 as currently configured on the projected classification map for 2019-2022, we request to be placed in District 8 as currently configured on the projected classification map for 2019-2022 . With this being requested, we ask to remain in District 7 if configured differently than currently suggested. This limits our travel expenses and places us in a 4 team district as opposed to a 6 team district.

OTHER NOTES
Frequently in commentary with administrators, the time zone and travel are frequently brought up. While it would be ideal if all the districts could be neat, four or five team districts, the layout of the state simply does not produce such symmetry.

3 hours ago, Kanaka Kahakai said:

Just to confirm, KHSAA actually announce the upcoming alignment a year/ a season prior to the current one ending? Reason I asked because I see GC's comment in May 2018 stating approved alignment for 2019-2022, Thx.

Correct.

The enrollment numbers for the realignments are a 4-year average of each school's enrollment. So for 2019-2022, they would have used a 4-year average of the 14/15, 15/16, 16/17, and 17/18 school year enrollments. More or less, as soon as the finalized enrollment info is available, the KHSAA starts working on getting their ducks in a row.

Also, all-male schools have their enrollment number doubled for the sake of alignment. That would apply to St. Xavier, Trinity, DeSales, Covington Catholic, and WEB DuBois Academy (when DuBois enters into the alignment). If you look at the KHSAA's Football Alignment 2019 Enrollments spreadsheet, the adjusted 4-yr average that they used for classification is in the column titled "Avg*F".

Unless I'm mistaken, the KHSAA still aligns the football teams by taking the 32 schools with the largest enrollment and establishing those as 6A, and taking the 32 schools with the smallest enrollment establishing those as 1A. The remaining 4 classes are an attempt at an even distribution of the remaining schools.

1 hour ago, Tigerpride94 said:

I'll be curious what W.E.B. Dubois plays since will be fielding varsity team in 2023. I assume will be 1A but not sure what enrollment will be.

With their current plan for adding a new grade level each year, DuBois isn't going to be at full capacity on the high school level until the 2024-25 school year. I wouldn't expect them to join the KHSAA alignment until at least then, but I guess stranger things have happened.

According to the "About" section on the school's website, they have 450 students grades 6-8. It doesn't say anything about the high school, which currently is serving only grades 9 and 10. If the high school is also going to have 150 students per grade, that makes them a 600 student high school. That would put them in the bottom third of 5A football schools.

2 hours ago, Colonels_Wear_Blue said:

Also, all-male schools have their enrollment number doubled for the sake of alignment. That would apply to St. Xavier, Trinity, DeSales, Covington Catholic, and WEB DuBois Academy (when DuBois enters into the alignment). If you look at the KHSAA's Football Alignment 2019 Enrollments spreadsheet, the adjusted 4-yr average that they used for classification is in the column titled "Avg*F".

This is incorrect about all-male enrollment being doubled. The KHSAA uses "number of males" in the school to enroll so there is no need for doubling. That's why a school like Louisville Central, which has a high total enrollment but is almost 2/3 female, falls around the 3A/4A border in football.